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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 07:33:18 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jaime Prilusky <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan XCMD's ?

How to teach FaceSpan to use XCMD's ?

I have a bunch of useful XCMD's and XFNC's that I would like to use
(without too much work) with FaceSpan.

Any suggestion?

Thank you in advance,
--
 Dr Jaime Prilusky, Head          ! [e-mail]
 Bioinformatics Unit              ! [e-mail]
 Dep. of Biological Services      !
 Weizmann Institute of Science    ! fax: [phone]
 76100 Rehovot - Israel           ! tel: [phone]
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:20:47 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptServer

>Here's a sample script which will compile a text file with ScriptServer:


>You'll need to spruce it up.  It should be straightforward to write a
>#include script like we did in MPW.

Is it any way to use the ScriptServer for a non MPWer ? Scripter? How?

thanks,

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kertisz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simpliciti, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:26:12 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript control statements

HyperTalk does have a "next repeat" statement.
One can combine appleScript with hypertalk eventually...

judith
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:30:33 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Is Fetch scriptable (additional comments)

>You could use the Commercial Developer suite to create

Excuse me, what is that suite and where it is, for whom is it?

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kertisz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simpliciti, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 07:29:36 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script examples for BBEdit 3.0?

I asked:
>>   I have just begun a project in which I will parse several 1-2 mbyte
>>files (output of a VAX/VMS database search) into tab-delimited text for
>>inclusion in a Filemaker Pro-type database. It seemed to me that
>>Applescript and the new scriptable BBEdit 3.0 would be the ideal way to do
>>this.

And I got several answers along these lines:
>Perhaps using awk or perl might be more appropriate.

Thanks for the suggestions, and I'll look into trying these out (how is
something like Perl different than BBEdit's grep?)

   Even while I am looking into this, though, my original question still
stands: does anyone have any sample scripts for BBEdit? I must admit that
at this point, my attachment to BBEdit is sentimental, as I did an earlier
version of this database project using BBEdit 2.5 and QuicKeys -- besides,
they're paid for :-). Scriptable Text Editor would do the job, except for
that pesky 32 K size limit.

   Clint


   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
   Howard Hughes Medical Institute | [e-mail]
   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
   Princeton, NJ 08544-1014        | 609/258-1704 (FAX)
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 07:25:49 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript control statements

>Does AppleScript have a command that is the equivalent of the "continue"
>statement in C?  It seems like a major thing to leave out.
>
>repeat with i from 1 to 10
>  blah blah blah
>  if false then
>    skip to the top of the loop   --This is what I want to do!
>  blah blah blah blah
>end repeat
>
>
>Do I have to do it recurvesively?

What?

No, you have to do it conditionally!

Actually, this is yet another use for try/error

repeat with i from 1 to 10
 try
  if i is 5 then
    error "continue" number 1000 -- signal a script error
  end if
  log i -- for testing, look in the event log
 on error str number num
  if num is not 1000 then
     -- a real error happend, do something
  end if
 end try
end repeat

You'll see that number 5 is skipped in the event log.

You can also exit from a repeat loop (like break in C)
repeat with i from 1 to 10
        if i is 5 then
                exit repeat
        end if
end repeat
i -- this is 5


- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:51:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Poorman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Eudora

>I use Eudora constantly to download mail while I'm gone, via the Comm.
>Toolbox. When I get home, however, I like to log on to my PPP account, and
>open the "standard" set of PPP apps. I'm writing a simple script to
>automate these things, but I've run into a problem with Eudora [...]

It's not a complete solution, but the following will switch Eudora between
MacTCP, Comm. ToolBox, and OffLine.

        -- MacTCP
        tell application "Eudora"
                set setting 84 to "n"
                set setting 27 to "n"
        end tell

        -- Comm. ToolBox
        tell application "Eudora"
                set setting 84 to "n"
                set setting 27 to "y"
        end tell

        -- Off Line
        tell application "Eudora"
                set setting 84 to "y"
        end tell

(These numbers were gleaned from the "Eudora Q&A" Hypercard stack.)


If you set the recheck interval to zero (to avoid checking before you can
set the settings) you could get it to check periodically using an
AppleScript or, better, with the ShareWare "NotifyMail".

-- Pete
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:37:36 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Is Fetch scriptable (additional comments)

>>You could use the Commercial Developer suite to create
>
>Excuse me, what is that suite and where it is, for whom is it?

The Commercial Developer suite ships with Frontier.  Look in the Suites
folder inside your Frontier folder...it is called suites.commercial.  As
usual, you install the suite by double-clicking that file...that adds a
"Commercial Developers" command to your Frontier Suites menu.  Selecting
that command adds a Glue menu.

The suite began life as a helper for developers in producing install
("glue") files for their applications...hence the naming.  Over time, one
significant enhancement was the development and refinement of the 'aete'
resource parser which is part of the suite (when Frontier came out, that
was a non-issue...the glue had to be hand built because AppleScript was
still more than a year away).

The current 'aete' parser does a pretty good job of representing the
scripting terminology [as represented by the 'aete'] of an application in
the form of "glue" scripts...optional parameters were added to Frontier 3.0
to help with the process.

Some hand-tuning is often still needed, simply because many 'aete'
resources don't fully represent the scripting support offered by an
application (there are some things which can't be represented in the
'aete', and some cases where developers don't produce the best possible
'aete' for their app).

To explore the suite, you should essentially start at the top of the Glue
menu and work down (pick a name for the app which is a legal Frontier table
name...that makes scripting easier:  for the app "My App", you might use
"myApp").

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:35:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptServer

>Is it any way to use the ScriptServer for a non MPWer ? Scripter? How?

Anything that can use ToolServer, I presume.

Try BBEdit (even as far back as 2.2), THINK Project Manager, ObjectMaster.

BBEdit is probably your best bet, but unless you are already have "MPW
brain damage" :-) you might not find SendAE and ScriptServer that much fun,
especially compared "normal editing". The advantages would come in group
projects with version control, and make files, and build scripts!

This is not to say that it isn't useful for those of us who already have
"MPW brain damage" and who work in larger groups!

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:19:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Sean Elfstrom <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script examples for BBEdit 3.0?
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Clinton MacDonald" at Sep 1, 94 07:29:36 am

>
> I asked:
> >>   I have just begun a project in which I will parse several 1-2 mbyte
> >>files (output of a VAX/VMS database search) into tab-delimited text for
> >>inclusion in a Filemaker Pro-type database. It seemed to me that
> >>Applescript and the new scriptable BBEdit 3.0 would be the ideal way to do
> >>this.
>
> And I got several answers along these lines:
> >Perhaps using awk or perl might be more appropriate.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, and I'll look into trying these out (how is
> something like Perl different than BBEdit's grep?)
>
>    Even while I am looking into this, though, my original question still
> stands: does anyone have any sample scripts for BBEdit? I must admit that
> at this point, my attachment to BBEdit is sentimental, as I did an earlier
> version of this database project using BBEdit 2.5 and QuicKeys -- besides,
> they're paid for :-). Scriptable Text Editor would do the job, except for
> that pesky 32 K size limit.
>
>    Clint
>

I have a script or two that I wrote for BBEdit to move mail headers from
the end of AOL mail files to the beginning, so that I could read them
in Eudora. I'll send you a copy, if you'd like, but it might be a day or
two until I can get around to it. We just started school again, so
things are kind of hectic around here. If you don't receive them
by Monday, just drop me a reminder.

BTW, BBEdit Scripting is kind of tricky, and unless you have a fast
machine, it is going to take a while to work with files that large.
The files I was working with were only 25K or so, and on my SE/30, it
was pretty slow.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sean Elfstrom                  | Trinity University
10819 Auldine                  | [e-mail]
San Antonio, TX 78230          | http://www.cs.trinity.edu/~selfstro/
[phone]                 | PGP Key available via finger
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:09:00 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Klaus P. Fechner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Eudora

>If you set the recheck interval to zero (to avoid checking before you can
>set the settings) you could get it to check periodically using an
>AppleScript or, better, with the ShareWare "NotifyMail".

... or with the freeware "MacBiff" (which works great for me!)

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Klaus P. Fechner<[e-mail]> VAMC Palo Alto, CA, USA
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:40:20 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         zip <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Eudora

Hi! I'm completely new to Eudora, internet @ stuff.. Could you be a litlle
more specific about unattended downloading of e-mail, I'M using an ARA 2.0
connection and Eudora, but Eudora seems to be unable to launch ARA, log in,
get my mail (if any), and log out again for a repeating interval of say an
hour. Is Eudora scriptable? Could you send me an example of how to
accomplish this?
Where can I get more detailed info about Eudora or other scriptable e-mail
programs?
I guess these are stupid questions, but sorry, this is all new for me.
Please help. Thanks, Zip.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 10:20:04 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Kost <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker Pro & copying Text field.

Greetings

I just subscribed to this group last week and havent seen
much traffic on it. So if this problem has been hashed out,
please tell me about when it was and I'll try to find it
in the archives... Thanks

And now for something completely different  %*)

- AppleScript 1.1 and FileMaker Pro 2.1v1

I dont have my script in front of me so
the script is not 100% accutate. Sorry.

Here's the situation:

- Two database files: DB1 and DB2
- I want to simply copy the current
  active record in text field "fieldName" in DB1
  to text  field "fieldName" in DB2

- script:
  tell application filemakerPro
    copy cell "fieldName" of database DB1 to TEMP
    copy TEMP to cell "fieldNName" of database DB2
  end tell

- results:
  this works fine for almost all situations EXCEPT
  when the text field it is copying is a text field with
  a carriage return/Line feed(CR). The Field that I
  am copying into will only get the text up to the CR.
  ????


Any Suggestions

Mike


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Michael R. Kost
 [e-mail]
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Help, I'm a rock!!!
                 Frank Zappa
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Date:         Mon, 5 Sep 1994 17:32:18 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ANNOUNCEMENT:  AliasExpander script for Eudora

Greetings all,

I have just finished an AliasExpander script for use with AppleScript 1.1
and Eudora 1.5 beta.

AliasExpander expands Eudora aliases and nested aliases in the "To:"
field of the message you are composing.

It is especially handy if used with a utility such as OtherMenu,

To recieve AliasExpander, send me a message with a subject line or body
that contains "Send me AliasExpander" (case insensitive).  A reply will
be automatically generated by Eudora.

Happy scripting,
Peter Hinely
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:24:15 +1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Eudora

zip <[e-mail]> wrote:
> ...but Eudora seems to be unable to launch ARA, log in,
As far as I knew Eudora only works with TCP, (but I'm probably wrong...)

> Is Eudora scriptable? Could you send me an example of how to
>accomplish this?
Have you actually got Applescript installed, and the latest version of Eudora?

>Where can I get more detailed info about Eudora or other scriptable e-mail
>programs?
Probably [e-mail] would be a good place to start? and the
FTP site for qualcomm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> [e-mail]                           Voice:  + 61 7 356 7645 <
> The System                                      Fax:    + 61 7 356 7790 <
> 46 Lansdowne Street                             DJP Mobile: [phone] <
> Wilston QLD 4051                                MJE Mobile: [phone] <
> Australia                                                               <
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You could get run over by a bus tomorrow... go on... have a fag!        <
>                                                                         <
>       \@\                                                               <
>        /@@/                                                             <
>       \@@@\                                                             <
>        \@@@/                                                            <
>         \@\                                                             <
>          |#|00000000000)))                                              <
>                                                                         <
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:59:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: mail missing...
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 06 Sep 94 09:54:12 BST"

> Since Sat, 3rd sept I do not get the mail from the mailing group!
> what is happening?
> X

I checked with David Avery (the listserv god at Dartmouth). He tells me that
the MacScripting list was set to hold due to a disk-related error. He says
that it's set to free now, so we should begin seeing messages.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:29:00 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ANNOUNCEMENT:  AliasExpander script for Eudora

whats you address? The headers only have the macscript address..
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:35:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Eudora

David Parry said:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^
> > [e-mail]                           Voice:  + 61 7 356
> > 7645 < The System                                      F
> > ax:    + 61 7 356 7790 < 46 Lansdowne Street
> >  DJP Mobile: [phone] < Wilston QLD 4051
> >    MJE Mobile: [phone] < Australia
> >                              <
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^
> > You could get run over by a bus tomorrow... go on... have a
> > fag!        <
    ^^^

Uhh, dontcha love regional dialects?

(Hint: the word 'fag' has very different meanings in the US and in Australia)

-roy
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:12:14 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll

Everyone,

The polls officially closed last Wednesday at midnight, so I thought you might
be interested in the swing of opinion. With just over 132 replying (on a list
of
806), here are the results.

    Should I begin the process of creating a newsgroup?

    74 said yes
    43 said no
    4 said they didn't care


    Should the mailing list be maintained and gatewayed?

    87 said yes
    29 said no
     7 said they didn't care
     8 made comments that they do not want the list gatewayed, but do
        want it to continue


I can look at these votes a couple of different ways:
  74 of 132 people are in favor of creating a newsgroup
  74 of 806 people are in favor of creating a newsgroup
And I can't ignore the fact that 87 of those 132 people want to keep the
mailing list no matter what happens.

I checked the Guidelines for creating a newsgroup, and we must have 100 more
yes votes than no votes to create a newsgroup. Or 2/3rds of the votes must be
in favor of creating a newsgroup. Here's the appropriate section:

    3) AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections that
    might invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create votes are
    received than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number of
    valid votes received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control
    message may be sent out.  If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 percentage is
    not met, the group should not be created.

You can see that our little internal poll misses the mark on both counts.
Let's consider a couple of additional facts. I checked the stats for the
mailing list this morning, and we are averaging 16 messages/day. I also
checked the number of questions posted to comp.sys.mac.programming for the
month of July. In a quick and unofficial count, I found 14 messages devoted
specifically to AppleScript or appleevents. There was a thread this
last week in comp.sys.mac.system (What the hell is AppleScript good for?) and
it had 18 some messages in the thread, but that's an unusual case.


My conclusions: I think the small number of those that voted makes it null and
void. I'm not sure that we could get a newsgroup through the Request For
Discussion and Call For Votes process with so few votes. I also wonder about
the validity of creating a newsgroup when most of the people that wanted one
also wanted me to maintain the mailing list. We can have it both ways, but we
will all have to make sacrifices of one kind or another: the newsgroup won't
look like the list, and the list won't be the same if there is a gateway.

Having said that, I will recant a bit. At least one of the people who voted
pointed out that I didn't attach my signature. This could have made it hard
for people to reply.

So if you haven't voted and want to, send me a message before the end of the
week (I'm appending the form). If I don't get many additional votes, I think
we should table the creation of a newsgroup for a couple of months. I don't
want to start something that is going to fail during the RFD and CFV process.

pf

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?

____ Yes

____ No


Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
and vice versa.

____ Yes

____ No
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:33:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rob Dewhirst <[e-mail]>
Subject:      PowerTalker 1.0 sent to gaea

I've uploaded Sean McMains PowerTalker scriptable app to gaea.  PowerTalker
will read your incoming PowerTalk mail to you.

Now through the combination of PowerTalk, AppleScript, the Speech Manager,
and PowerTalker, you can get up in the morning and say "Computer, read my
incoming messages."  :)

It's freeware, and it works quite well.

(Now if someone would write a decent PowerTalk mailer...)
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:43:40 -0300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Hutten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 2.1 and "sender"

Has anyone been using the new Eudora 2.1? I'm trying to retrieve the
"sender" email address of messages in the inbox:

        set msgFrom to sender of message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""


doesnt work, as you get the "sender" as it appears in the "who" column,
which is not usually the email address. Does anyone know how to get the
actual email address of the sender?


thanx

- bill


| Bill Hutten - [e-mail]
| 6411 Cloverdale Rd. Halifax, NS Canada B3L 2N6   [phone]
|     "Hard to love, when you're bracing for impact." - Martin Amis
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:57:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Harold D. Levin" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll

Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?

__X_ Yes

____ No


Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
and vice versa.

____ Yes

__X_ No



 =============================================================================
Harold D. Levin
Department of Philosophy and Religion                  office [phone]
Box 8103                                                  fax [phone]
North Carolina State University at Raleigh
Raleigh NC 27695-8103
 =============================================================================
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:10:00 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PowerTalker 1.0 sent to gaea
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 06 Sep 94 11:33:17 PDT"

>I've uploaded Sean McMains PowerTalker scriptable app to gaea.  PowerTalker
>will read your incoming PowerTalk mail to you.
>
>Now through the combination of PowerTalk, AppleScript, the Speech Manager,
>and PowerTalker, you can get up in the morning and say "Computer, read my
>incoming messages."  :)

Thanks, Rob. Everyone, you'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/PowerTalker10.sit.hqx

Enjoy.

pf
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Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 10:26:10 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll

Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?

_____ Yes

__X__ No


Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to
the newsgroup and vice versa.

__X_ Yes

____ No
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 10:38:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "W. J. Proffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      scriptable graphics conversion

Your help would be greatly appreciated:

I have set up scripts to run an Apple Quicktake camera from a Macintosh
http server.  It works fine, except that I haven't found a (scriptable) way
to convert the Quicktake PICT format (which uses Quicktime and Quicktake
extensions) to a form (e.g., normal PICT or better, GIF) viewable within a
HTML browser.

Does anybody know of a scriptable graphics program which would do a PICT to
GIF conversion?  Apple's PhotoFlash won't get me there unless I can find an
appropriate PhotoShop PlugIn, and the fine program "GraphicConverter"
(which is scriptable!) won't convert formats.....

thanks,

bill

<pre>
William J. Proffer
Senior Staff Scientist
Test Technology Group
S-Cubed, A Division of Maxwell Labs
3398 Carmel Mountain Road
San Diego, CA  92038-1095
[phone]
[phone] (fax)
[e-mail]
World Wide Web URL:  http://www.scubed.com:8001/
</pre>
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:17:20 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Kost <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker Pro Text Field & AppleScript

Hi

I sent this out earlier, must have put the incorrect
mail address. If you got two of these messages - sorry -

mike

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Greetings

I just subscribed to this group last week and havent seen
much traffic on it. So if this problem has been hashed out,
please tell me about when it was and I'll try to find it
in the archives... Thanks

And now for something completely different  %*)

- AppleScript 1.1 and FileMaker Pro 2.1v1

I dont have my script in front of me so
the script is not 100% accutate. Sorry.

Here's the situation:

- Two database files: DB1 and DB2
- I want to simply copy the current
  active record in field "fieldName" in DB1
  to the same field "fieldName" in DB2

- script:
  tell application filemakerPro
    copy cell "fieldName" of database DB1 to TEMP
    copy TEMP to cell "fieldNName" of database DB2
  end tell

- results:
  this works fine for almost all situations EXCEPT
  when the field it is copying is a text field with
  a carriage return/Line feed(CR). The Field that I
  am copying into will only get the text up to the CR.
  ????


Any Suggestions

Mike


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Michael R. Kost
 [e-mail]
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Help, I'm a rock!!!
                 Frank Zappa
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:41:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Sean Elfstrom (457235635)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Roy S. Rapoport" at Sep 6, 94 10:26:10 am

Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?

_X___ Yes

____ No


Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
and vice versa.

__X__ Yes

____ No

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
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10819 Auldine                  | [e-mail]
San Antonio, TX 78230          | http://www.cs.trinity.edu/~selfstro/
[phone]                 | PGP Key available via finger
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:16:28 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Speck <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: scriptable graphics conversion

>Your help would be greatly appreciated:
>
>I have set up scripts to run an Apple Quicktake camera from a Macintosh
>http server.  It works fine, except that I haven't found a (scriptable) way
>to convert the Quicktake PICT format (which uses Quicktime and Quicktake
>extensions) to a form (e.g., normal PICT or better, GIF) viewable within a
>HTML browser.
>
>Does anybody know of a scriptable graphics program which would do a PICT to
>GIF conversion?  Apple's PhotoFlash won't get me there unless I can find an
>appropriate PhotoShop PlugIn, and the fine program "GraphicConverter"
>(which is scriptable!) won't convert formats.....

DeBabelizer. 1.5.5 is some sort of script able.
You can send a "DoScript" command to it. It uses its own very weird script
language, but is recordable, and can convert the recorded scripts to
AppleScript.

One hint: sometimes it ignores the filename when saving, so I am always
saving files as "Untitled" and the renames afterwards.

I have been using it for doing some www stuff to the Lollapalooza.

---
Peter Speck
                             (And it was eleven o'clock
                              which was time for a little something)
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:36:48 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Mark B. Ballard" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll
In-Reply-To:  Your message of Tue,
              06 Sep 94 11:12:14 -0500. <[e-mail]>

Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?

_X___ Yes

____ No


Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
and vice versa.

____ Yes

_X___ No

--
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:44:58 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sending commands to Remote Finder problems

I'm tring to find a good way to launch scripts remotely.  I've been
experimenting with scripts that talk to remote macs using program linking.


The main problem is that AppleScript commands get their target from the
tell statement like in this command to a remote mac:

tell application "Finder" of machine "pm6100 #1" of zone "Computer Lab"
        open file "simpletext" of startup disk
end tell

When I open this script in the Script Editor, it immediately tries to log
in to the remote mac and read the target's dictionary (I think).   I dont
know how to write commands that know their target but don't go looking for
the application.  If I'm writing a script that is going to log into 30 macs
in a row, I dont want to get 30 login prompts.  Does anyone know of a
scriptable program that just launch applications remotely?

I've also tried using script daemon and driving it with the TCPIP osax, but
I can't seem to drive the telnet session with the osax (something I doing
wrong probably) and driving it with Sitcomm/TGE TCP Tool also seems
problematic (Sitcomm wont quit with the TGE TCP tool, I have to crash it)

Apparently, the PPC toolbox tries to remember a link that has been opened
and does not require you to fill in a second login screen when you access
the link. How do I "log out" of this link?

Another problem is that if I hit Cancel on the login screen, the Script
stops working: it does not prompt me for the login screen again and it
starts complaining about the commands within the tell statement.  The
script refuses to work even when I re-write and compile the script in a new
file.

One thing that is interesting is that I've always heard that Apple
intentionally disabled remote application launching, but with the new
scriptable finder, which is always open, you can ask it to launch
applications using the open command.


-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 17:13:16 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: control statements

On 8/31/94, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> that also lacks gotos and a "continue" statement, and I can write
> clean, uncontorted code without feeling the need for either.

Oh, but how I miss call-with-current-continuation...

(Yeah, yeah, I *do* know how it's really spelled. <grin>)

~ Kiran <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:48:55 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         James Lane <[e-mail]>
Subject:      learning apple script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Could someone recommend a book about applescript, or else share what
resources you used to learn applescript.

TIA!

A newbie scripter...
james lane
university of washington
office of technology transfer
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 15:47:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

James Lane wrote:

> Could someone recommend a book about applescript, or else share what
> resources you used to learn applescript.

I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical terms, sucked
the big toad in terms of usefulness).  Eventually I got a copy of the
AppleScript Language Reference, but until then, I learned it the hard way --
I was working on a project for work to develop a group (3) of scripts to
automate our backup procedures, and I used the 'Open Dictionary' and trial
and error *VERY* often :)

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                           [e-mail]
510-540-5535 ext. 280                   Fax: [phone]
I speak for the Pope, the President of the United States,
and  all sentient  beings everywhere, other than those at
Berkeley Systems Incorporated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 20:38:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jonathan Bauer <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPGP scripts

>Hi all,
>        I've just finished my addition to the MacPGP <-> Eudora universe,
>and would like to find some hardy souls to try and break it!
>        I have a MacPGP.lib (24K) and an Encrypt the out basket script

[snip]
>        Drop me a line for more info & I'll send you the package.
>

That would be great!  I've got Eudora 2.1fc2 so, if you don't mind (and if
it's necessary) I'll try my hand at modifying your scripts for same and
pass the results along, if I can make it work.

TIA,

/jonathan

----------------------------------
Jonathan Bauer <[e-mail]>
440 W. 41st St. #202
N.Y. N.Y.  10036
[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 20:59:31 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:

> I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical terms, sucked
> the big toad in terms of usefulness).

Not to take this personally or anything, but do keep in mind that Tao was
_specifically_ designed to teach AppleScript to people who don't know
anything about programming (literally, we used our publications person's
mother as the acid test). I have always been the first to recommend
either Danny's book or (now) the AS Reference for people who are more
experienced.

We weren't trying to be extremely technical and cover every single
possible aspect of AS; we were trying to get people started with it,
especially those who had never programmed before.

Okay, so maybe I took it a _little_ personally :)

Derrick Schneider
Author, The Tao of AppleScript
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 22:03:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

Derrick Schneider wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>
> > I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical
> > terms, sucked the big toad in terms of usefulness).
>
> Not to take this personally or anything, but do keep in mind that Tao
> was _specifically_ designed to teach AppleScript to people who don't know
> anything about programming (literally, we used our publications
> person's mother as the acid test). I have always been the first
> to recommend either Danny's book or (now) the AS Reference for people
> who are more experienced.
>
> We weren't trying to be extremely technical and cover every
> single possible aspect of AS; we were trying to get people started with
> it, especially those who had never programmed before.

Uhh, let me rephrase ... :)

the TofA, for me, sucked.  It taught me how to do 2+2 in AS and introduced
the basic concepts of AS, but AS A REFERENCE MANUAL IT SUCKED.

Now, obviously it's supposed to suck, as Derrick says above -- it's not
supposed to be a reference manual.  As something to introduce people who get
a stroke when thinking of opening a control panel to AppleScript, it's
superb.  Good job.  It's just that I've mucked with my mac long enough, and
am confident (well, arrogant) enough to think I know what I'm doing, so the
TofA sucked for my purposes.

By all means, get it if you're new to AppleScript, programming, and standard
text editing.  It's a great book.

Any better, Derrick? :)

(seriously, it's a good introduction, I guess)

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:01:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ANNOUNCEMENT:  AliasExpander script for Eudora

At 10:32 PM 05.9.94, Pete Hinely wrote:
>To recieve AliasExpander, send me a message with a subject line or body
>that contains "Send me AliasExpander" (case insensitive).  A reply will
>be automatically generated by Eudora.
>

I noticed in your README that you have other scripts as well...and I
received a reply to (but not the original of) your post(?) about PGP
scripts for Eudora. Is there any way I can get any of your other scripts?
I'm just getting into scripting, and Eudora scripts have been the most
helpful I've seen for getting a feel for the power and the syntax of the
language...

Cheers,
spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
a.h.s. boy ---------------------- manifesto overlord, dada typographics
--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
[e-mail] ----------- WWW page:  http://www.digex.net/~spud


mangez du chocolat / lavez votre cerveau / dada / dada / buvez de l'eau
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 22:52:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

With respect to "Tao", it is important to be sure you are picking up the
Second Edition, not the first, if you decide Tao is right for you.  (I
don't think I'll hurt Derrick's feelings with that remark, but if so he is
invited to say so.)

And with respect to "Handbook" ("handbook" is a synonym for "Danny"), it
might pay to await the upcoming second edition (which would suggest using
2nd Tao for now).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 23:11:32 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: scriptable graphics conversion

>and the fine program "GraphicConverter"
>(which is scriptable!) won't convert formats.....

Hmmm I 've used GraphicConverter 1.7.6-2.0 to do just this (you have to
reduce 24bit picts to 8bit before it will let you save as GIF) without
applescipt though.  But I wasn't able find a library, is it scriptable and
if so where is some documentation.  I use QuickKeys now to batch convert
24bit PICTs -> 8bit GIFs.

PS though it is not part of my commute I can't wait to see realtime pics of
"The Merge".

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 6 Sep 1994 23:41:35 MST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 1 Sep 1994 to 6 Sep 1994

RE: Newsgroup creation...

SInce I get the digest form, I didn't notice the informal discussion.

You might want to consider THAT possiblity to.

Count me as a "Yes" for newsgroup creation, and a "Yes" (for those with no
newsgroup access) for maintaining the list...

It is good enough for c.s.m.p.codewarrior, afterall...



Lawson D. English [e-mail]

-INSERT INFORMATIVE AND WITTY MESSAGE HERE-

West Campus Internet Class of 1994
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 00:30:25 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Inheritance in Scripts

Since we were just talking about script object inheritance, I thought I
would mention that there is an interesting article in Develop 19 by Paul
Smith of Full Moon Software describing how to do dynamic script inheritance
in a program like FaceSpam and/or Hypercard.  It has some interesting stuff
in it regarding attachability and inheritence.

The only problem I found was that it was all from a C implementation point
of view, so I tried doing some script code to do some of the same stuff and
found out why.  It doesn't work from scripts.  Bummer.

The crux is that you can't access the parent property of a script object
directly.

For example, this works:

  script foo
    on frozz()
      beep
    end frozz
  end foo

  script bar
    property parent : foo
    on run
      frozz()
    end run
  end bar

  tell bar to run

But this doesn't:

  script foo
    on frozz()
      beep
    end frozz
  end foo

  script bar
    on run
      frozz()
    end run
  end bar

  set bar's parent to foo  -- fails
  tell bar to run

It appears that parent is a special property.  Bummer.  It's time for an
osax to fix this thing and provide dynamic parent capabilities.  Donald
Olson has already written such a beast but he didn't think to handle this
special case, so I've reminded him and will post his osaxen when he has
finished them.  He already has a collection of osaxen that I should
probably post.  It includes osaxen to get & set script properties and
handlers, one to set the current Standard File directory and one to check
the mouse status (location and button).  I've mailed them to Fred in a
seperate message.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 00:30:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll

>Subject: Re: READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll
>
>Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?
>
>_X___ Yes
>...

I think the "READ CAREFULLY" part needs to be repeated.  ;)

Don't reply to the list.  Mail them to Fred.

Sheesh.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 00:30:58 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: scriptable graphics conversion

W. J. Proffer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I have set up scripts to run an Apple Quicktake camera from a Macintosh
>http server.  It works fine, except that I haven't found a (scriptable) way
>to convert the Quicktake PICT format (which uses Quicktime and Quicktake
>extensions) to a form (e.g., normal PICT or better, GIF) viewable within a
>HTML browser.

<uninvited impersonal GIF flames>

Please, do me a favor.  Never create another GIF file in your life.  Use
JPEG instead.  You get a 24 bit file in the same space (or better
compression if you are willing to sacrifice image details).  GIF is only 8
bits and you totally lose picture quality.  The Macintosh has built in
support for 24 bits, so use it.  If you only have an 8 bit monitor, you
can't even have 2 GIFs open at once without screwing up the palettes of all
but 1 image.  They are just lame relics of the past.  Down with GIF!

<sorry about that>

>Does anybody know of a scriptable graphics program which would do a PICT to
>GIF conversion?  Apple's PhotoFlash won't get me there unless I can find an
>appropriate PhotoShop PlugIn, and the fine program "GraphicConverter"
>(which is scriptable!) won't convert formats.....

You can write both a standard JPEG (aka JFIF) file and a QuickTime
PICT-JPEG file (my personal preference).  The simplest way is to record one
and copy it into your script.  Just do a Save As and then delete the "in"
parameter after you paste.  That'll make it save into the same file.

Here's the command from memory (so it might be wrong):

  save as "PICT" in <file> using parameters {|Compression|:"Apple Photo-JPEG",
    |Quality|:"75"}

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:58:39 +1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Fax Merging with Word/FaxSTF/Touchbase Pro

I'm trying to automate a Fax merge whereby the data has originally been
held in Touchbase Pro, merged in word 5.1A and then run through FaxSTF
2.6.1.

I'm using Word because the 200DPI bitmaps that are in the document seem to
come out fine through FaxSTF, whereas Touchbase Pro doesn't seem to support
pasting pictures into Fastletters, and the layout of their fax headers is
not the layout I want. Either way neither Word nor Touchbase know how to
tell FaxSTF to address each generated merge item to a particular fax
number.

And of course Word 5.1a is not AppleScript aware as far as I can see...,
neither is Touchbase Pro 3.0i (although 4.0 is... but no-one in Australia
wants to sell it to me!).

Has anyone got any suggestions? Perhaps a way of scripting the Fax Manager?

I'm really not that keen on addressing 1079 faxes by hand!

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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:42:31 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Marco Strehler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

>On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>
>> I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical terms, sucked
>> the big toad in terms of usefulness).
>
>Not to take this personally or anything, but do keep in mind that Tao was
>_specifically_ designed to teach AppleScript to people who don't know
>anything about programming (literally, we used our publications person's
>mother as the acid test). I have always been the first to recommend
>either Danny's book or (now) the AS Reference for people who are more
>experienced.
>
>We weren't trying to be extremely technical and cover every single
>possible aspect of AS; we were trying to get people started with it,
>especially those who had never programmed before.
>
>Okay, so maybe I took it a _little_ personally :)
>
>Derrick Schneider
>Author, The Tao of AppleScript

I agree with Derrick! Even I am a experimented programmer I like the "tao".
I have done my first AppleScript-steps with this book, and I like Derrick's
way to teach.

My background: I'm a medical student and so I'm used to read heavy
technical books.  Specially the german technical literature is often like
walking in a desert.

So I think: writing a readable newbie book needs more know-how as filling a
telefon directory :-)

Now, of course, I use the "AppleScript Language Guide" as reference.

Sorry for my bad englisch :-)

-- Marco


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 VOICE: ++41 (0)1 810 27 03   INTERNET: [e-mail]
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:47:41 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

>Could someone recommend a book about applescript, or else share what
>resources you used to learn applescript.
>university of washington

Is it washington DC or state of washington?

Apple has published the AppleScript books in Adison Weslay, but I think
you can too take from the gaeo - this groups disk place, take a lot of
literature,
hypercard stack, word format documents to start.

For the begining at least. There are two books, but..
And then test small scripts to begin.

For real deep info there are Apple's Apda CD's, when it starts to be serious,
they will be necessary.

I go to washington DC in November, if I could help, if you are from there...

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kertisz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simpliciti, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:15:10 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Bach <[e-mail]>
Subject:      messages from FileMaker to Applets [Q]

Dear colleagues:

With the final goal of building
"if <condition> then <script1> else <script2>"
for FileMaker Pro I have tried to send events from FileMaker to AppleScript
programs. The Applet "WaitForMessage" looks partly like this:

on testMessage(theText)
  beep
  activate
  display dialog theText
end testMessage

and stays running in the background. When I send from the applescript
editor the following stuff:

tell application "WaitForMessage"
  testMessage("a test")
end tell

the message is dutifully displayed. But how can I send such a message from
FileMaker? Applets don't seem to have aete-resources. They don't seem to
handle <misc> <dosc>. What is the simple thing I have overlooked?

Thanks for your help, greetings, Michael.

Dr. Michael Bach, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of Freiburg,
D-79106 Freiburg, Germany. ++049(761)270-4060. [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:06:06 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Marco Strehler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: messages from FileMaker to Applets [Q]

>But how can I send such a message from
>FileMaker? Applets don't seem to have aete-resources. They don't seem to
>handle <misc> <dosc>. What is the simple thing I have overlooked?

Try this:
Make in your FileMaker-Script a "Send AppleEvent" command and define an
event class and an event id (e.g. "FMPr", "says") and a optional (field)
value. As target application you must define an AppleScript-Applet with
this handler:

on <<event FMPrsay>> theText
        display dialog "FileMaker says: " & theText
end <<event FMPrsays>>

( << and >> are double angle brackets. Decimal ASCII-Code 199 and 200)

It's a hack, but it works :-)


-- Marco




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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:16:01 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Bach <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: messages from FileMaker to Applets [Q]

Lieber Marco:

>stuff deleted
>It's a hack, but it works :-)

Funktioniert wunderbar, vielen Dank!
Gruesse, Michael.

Dr. Michael Bach, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of Freiburg,
D-79106 Freiburg, Germany. ++049(761)270-4060. [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 07:26:37 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and "sender"

>Has anyone been using the new Eudora 2.1? I'm trying to retrieve the
>"sender" email address of messages in the inbox:
>
>        set msgFrom to sender of message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""
>
>
>doesnt work, as you get the "sender" as it appears in the "who" column,
>which is not usually the email address. Does anyone know how to get the
>actual email address of the sender?
>

What you want is:

set msgFrom to field "From" of message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""

The 'field' can be any of the standard header fields:
From
Date
...

>From the Dictionary:
Class message: A message
Elements:
        field by name *** this is what you want!!
Properties:
        sender  string  -- the sender as appearing in the message summary
...

Class field: An RFC 822 header field in a message (field named "" is the body)


- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:12:36 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John G Dorsey <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Excerpts from internet.computing.macscrpt: 6-Sep-94 Re: learning apple
script by Derrick Schneider@NETCOM
> Not to take this personally or anything, but do keep in mind that Tao was
> _specifically_ designed to teach AppleScript to people who don't know
> anything about programming

Well, heck! I know C++, and I just finished learning Perl so I could
complete my WWW server; I wouldn't have finished the damn thing if it
weren't for TofA! Had to use AppleScript as the go-between for MacHTTP
and MacPerl - Tao's one little example of reading the entire contents of
a text file was well worth whatever 'shortcomings' were present in the
rest of the book... incidentally, the Addison Wesley book (and all the
Netted folks I asked) had nothing to say on this topic. =(

$0.02

Have fun,
John Dorsey                      <[e-mail]>
Carnegie Mellon University      <[e-mail]>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ftp://lightspeed.pc.cc.cmu.edu/
http://lightspeed.pc.cc.cmu.edu/
    (under construction!)
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:25:46 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lutz Weimann <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and "sender" / What does this mean?

Sorry about my previous mail and thanks for you kind explanation about
these elements of Eudora scripting.

The reason why I sent this was, that my Eudora (2.0.3) or the POP-mailer
here split up your message into two chunks, where the second chunk didn't
had any mail-header and the from field in my in-box just appeared to be
???@??? - it was just the complete second chunck which I cited in my
message before.  The ???@??? really confused me, and later, I realized that
there was a preceeding (first) chunck of this message. (Reading the second
one before, I found your e-mail address only within your signature ...;-) )
.

The splitting problem was due to citing the following mail-headers within
your message:
>From
>Date
>...
A simple method to prevent such splitting is to insert just a single space
as the first character of cited header texts (like "From" or "Date").

Kindly,
Lutz Weimann

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lutz Weimann                      INTERNET: [e-mail]
Konrad-Zuse-Zentrum fuer          X400:     C=de;A=d400;
Informationstechnik Berlin (ZIB)            P=zib-berlin;S=weimann
Heilbronner Str. 10               PHONE:    +49 30 / 89604-185
D-10711 Berlin-Wilmersdorf        FAX:      +49 30 / 89604-125
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:50:57 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

>it might pay to await the upcoming second edition (AppleScript Handbook)

It may not pay.  That edition won't be out until we all are using new
calendars.

Danny
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:52:39 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and "sender"

>Has anyone been using the new Eudora 2.1? I'm trying to retrieve the
>"sender" email address of messages in the inbox:
>
>        set msgFrom to sender of message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""
>
>
>doesnt work, as you get the "sender" as it appears in the "who" column,
>which is not usually the email address. Does anyone know how to get the
>actual email address of the sender?
>
>
>thanx
>
>- bill
>
>

Have you tried

        set msgFrom to field "From" of ...

?

--Tom

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan             "The city is a place where a small boy, as he walks
Technology Facilitator   through it, may see something that will tell him
Glen Grove School        what he wants to do his whole life."
Glenview, Illinois                                          --Louis I. Kahn
E-mail: [e-mail], [e-mail]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:02:50 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Recent History (or:learning apple script)

Roy Rapoport wrote:

>I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical terms, sucked
>the big toad in terms of usefulness)...

I don't intend to pick on Roy, but does anyone else feel that Tao is
getting the short end lately?  I'll agree that the book is limited compared
to other current offerings, but many of us did buy it for a reason.  For
me, the purchase of a simple introduction plus AppleScript 1.0 plus some
useful scriptable tools (e.g., Progress Bar) was well worth the low cost.
It's easy to forget that it was one of the first (was it THE first)
low-cost ways to start scripting.  Technically it had some problems,
especially for the (now) advanced scripters, but it was out very early.  I
was certainly glad it was available at that time.  I don't think it
deserves such strong language.

-- Dave (just my two or three cents) Brown, who has no connection with the book.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:37:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

>Could someone recommend a book about applescript, or else share what
>resources you used to learn applescript.
>
>TIA!
>
>A newbie scripter...
>james lane
>university of washington
>office of technology transfer
>[e-mail]


There are three sourses of Information (none of them will set the world on
fire) but they are more than sufficient for your purposes.

First, there is Derrick Schneider "Tao of Applescript" which contrary to
popular opinion is quite a good book and deals effictevely with subject at
a basic level.
Secondly there is the Danny Goodmans book (which I have only borrowed for a
few days but based on this I have ordered a copy). It is a better all
rounder than the first option. That is as much as I can fairly say.
Thirdly there are the official Apple docs (enough said). They tend to
plummit the usual depths of technical literature.

The above information you will have repeated to you many times (except for
the opinions :-) )

Learning by trial and error is not impossible and is the method I used when
I started to learn AS. You will get some guarded information from this list
but I would say that you should depend mostly on your own devices and the
first two refrences mentioned above. Finally, it is well worth the effort
you will put forth as AS is certainly the most useful extension to the
Macintosh since its inception (my opinion yet again).

Good Luck and Hopefully we will hear more from you as things progress.

Frank C.
R&E
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:25:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recent History (or:learning apple script)
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 07 Sep 94 10:02:50 EDT"

David Brown replied to Roy Roper's message.....
>
>>I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical terms, sucked
>>the big toad in terms of usefulness)...
>
>I don't intend to pick on Roy, but does anyone else feel that Tao is
>getting the short end lately?  I'll agree that the book is limited compared
>to other current offerings, but many of us did buy it for a reason.  For
>me, the purchase of a simple introduction plus AppleScript 1.0 plus some
>useful scriptable tools (e.g., Progress Bar) was well worth the low cost.
>It's easy to forget that it was one of the first (was it THE first)
>low-cost ways to start scripting.  Technically it had some problems,
>especially for the (now) advanced scripters, but it was out very early.  I
>was certainly glad it was available at that time.  I don't think it
>deserves such strong language.

Derrick's was THE FIRST book out and it included AppleScript back before there
was an easy way for most people to get it. And get it cheaply, I might add.
David's right, it's been dumped on quite a bit lately. Given the fact that
Derrick's on the list, our language (and/or condemnation?) has been a bit
strong. Ask yourself if you would say repeatedly to someone's face that what
they've dumped months of their life into sucked?

(Okay, okay, I'll put away my netiquette badge now.)

pf
just another writer with an ego


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:50:09 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Kevin A. Gemeinhart" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ? on GTQ object database

I need some help.  I keep getting an error ("the app can't tell me what
kind") when I try to use the create database command from the Object
Database osax (GTQ Scripting Library).  Why doesn't this work?

Thanks,

Kevin
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:03:44 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "David A. Rogers" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

>>it might pay to await the upcoming second edition (AppleScript Handbook)
>
>It may not pay.  That edition won't be out until we all are using new
>calendars.
>
>Danny


Danny,

If I agree to start using a different calendar, can I have a pre-release
copy now? <grin>


---
David A. Rogers
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:07:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recent History (or:learning apple script)

>Roy Rapoport wrote:
>
>>I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical terms, sucked
>>the big toad in terms of usefulness)...
>
>I don't intend to pick on Roy, but does anyone else feel that Tao is
>getting the short end lately?  I'll agree that the book is limited compared
>to other current offerings, but many of us did buy it for a reason.  For
>me, the purchase of a simple introduction plus AppleScript 1.0 plus some
>useful scriptable tools (e.g., Progress Bar) was well worth the low cost.
>It's easy to forget that it was one of the first (was it THE first)
>low-cost ways to start scripting.  Technically it had some problems,
>especially for the (now) advanced scripters, but it was out very early.  I
>was certainly glad it was available at that time.  I don't think it
>deserves such strong language.
>
>-- Dave (just my two or three cents) Brown, who has no connection with the
>book.


Yep. I think that the book certainly was worth every cent I spent on it. I
a field (still) devoid of any decent literature it was extremely usefull
and I would think still usefull to anyone starting to AS. The problem is
not the book but a certain lack of self control on the part of would be
critics.

Frank C.
R&E
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:22:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      A Newbie perspective on learning AS

Well I have never programed before (except for .bat files when I used DOS
which doesn't count).  And for me Applescript was a compromise, as I knew I
didn't have time to learn a full blown language - and applescript appears
to be able to do most of what I want.
I'm about half way through Danny's 'applescript handbook' and am finding it
pretty usable as a non programer.  Some of the more difficult stuff I have
to reread but I expect to be a little confused, as I learn better if I
really have to figure things out on my own.  What I would really like is
consolidated application based FAQs (ie scripting Eudora or scripting
Anarchie) as trial and error is frustrating.  I don't think applescript (or
anything very powerful) will ever be appropriate for anyone who is easily
intimidated by more gut level computer operations (despite AS's Englishisms
it is still essentially a type of programing).  I think an infinite amount
of handholding won't do much good.  AS is better than anything else I've
seen but you still have to really WANT to learn it and be prepared to spend
some time (and hair) with it.  But I'm having lots of fun.

-Preston

--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:49:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, John W. Baxter wrote:

> With respect to "Tao", it is important to be sure you are picking up the
> Second Edition, not the first, if you decide Tao is right for you.

Thanks for mentioning that, John. The second edition is a big improvement
over the first, IMHO, and I would highly encourage getting it

Thanks also to the rest of you for your support in this thread. I don't
mind criticism of the book at all, especially since it helps if(when) I
do another edition. Comments about the first definitely got listened to
when the second was being done (even little things like including the
scripts on the disk), and the same will be true if there is ever a third.

However, I don't mind good things being said, either! :)

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:55:39 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:

> the TofA, for me, sucked.  It taught me how to do 2+2 in AS and introduced
> the basic concepts of AS, but AS A REFERENCE MANUAL IT SUCKED.
>
> Now, obviously it's supposed to suck, as Derrick says above -- it's not
> supposed to be a reference manual.  As something to introduce people who get
> a stroke when thinking of opening a control panel to AppleScript, it's
> superb.  Good job.  It's just that I've mucked with my mac long enough, and
> am confident (well, arrogant) enough to think I know what I'm doing, so the
> TofA sucked for my purposes.

> Any better, Derrick? :)
>
> (seriously, it's a good introduction, I guess)

I agree with Roy. It's not a reference manual. Truth be told, I use
Danny's book plus the AS Language Guide for my references. I'm probably
not supposed to say things like that, but hopefully Hayden isn't
monitoring this mailing list!

My usual advice to people who want to learn AS is to buy all three! That
way, there's no need for a competition.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:31:00 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Kalkwarf <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recent History (or:learning apple script)

>>I used, initially, the Tao of AppleScript (which, in technical terms, sucked
>>the big toad in terms of usefulness)...

>I don't intend to pick on Roy, but does anyone else feel that Tao is
>getting the short end lately?

I was very unhappy with my purchase. The biggest problem was that lots of
the sample scripts were just plain wrong. Some didn't syntax check, some
didn't run properly when compiled. My margins are filled with notes
correcting scripts, up until around chapter 8, when I gave up. If this is
intended to be an introduction to scripting for the code illiterate, I
think the errors would turn people off forever. Can you imagine your mother
typing in a script from the book, and getting errors? And then continuing
with the process? Not my mom...

Steve
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:07:22 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "W. J. Proffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: scriptable graphics conversion

>
>Here's the command from memory (so it might be wrong):
>
>  save as "PICT" in <file> using parameters {|Compression|:"Apple Photo-JPEG",
>    |Quality|:"75"}
>
>Jon

This may just work.  I don't much like GIF either (because I don't much
care for Compuserve), but unfortunately that and xbm are the only (current)
native formats for Web browser windows.....

thanks,

bill

<pre>
William J. Proffer
Senior Staff Scientist
Test Technology Group
S-Cubed, A Division of Maxwell Labs
3398 Carmel Mountain Road
San Diego, CA  92038-1095
[phone]
[phone] (fax)
[e-mail]
World Wide Web URL:  http://www.scubed.com:8001/
</pre>
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:31:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Glenn L. Austin" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: mail missing...

>> Since Sat, 3rd sept I do not get the mail from the mailing group!
>> what is happening?
>> X
>
>I checked with David Avery (the listserv god at Dartmouth). He tells me that
>the MacScripting list was set to hold due to a disk-related error. He says
>that it's set to free now, so we should begin seeing messages.

Fred,

Can you remove my [e-mail] entry in the list (otherwise known as
gla-aux![e-mail])?  I'm not able to use that feed
anymore, and wasn't able to get off the listserver with that address before
it disappeared.  I'm currently getting the mail items forwarded to
[e-mail], so if you can make sure that that entry IS in the
listserver?  Thanks!

//
// Glenn L. Austin
// Computer Wizard and Racing Car Driver
// Internet:  [e-mail]
//
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:04:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

>>it might pay to await the upcoming second edition (AppleScript Handbook)
>
>It may not pay.  That edition won't be out until we all are using new
>calendars.

True (that's why the "might")...it all depends upon what one needs/wants.
If one wants to start out now with "Handbook", one will wind up buying both
editions...that's fine.

If one is in a position in which starting with Tao makes sense, then one
probably buys Tao 2nd now, the Addison-Wesley Script Language Guide soon
for reference, and Handbook 2nd when available.

Handbook first edition is very usable (provided you can get the update disk
from the publisher to cover the AppleScript 1.1 changes).  [What I grab
first for reference is the Addison-Wesley book, because it is up to date.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:04:24 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recent History (or:learning apple script)

At 10:02 9/7/94 -0400, David Brown wrote:
>... but does anyone else feel that Tao is
>getting the short end lately?  I'll agree that the book is limited compared
>to other current offerings, but many of us did buy it for a reason.

I agree completely.  Tao was highly useful when published, and was more
correct technically than the three-hole-punched version of what became the
AppleScript Language Guide, as that was found in the version 1.0
AppleScript Developer Toolkit from APDA.

AppleScript was not only very late, it also appears to have been a moving
target right up until after the release of 1.0 (and Tao, and Handbook)
(witness 1.1 appearing right after 1.0 was frozen into System 7 Pro).

Derrick did very well in what he tried to do (an early book for non-gurus)
given the moving target.  A quick bookstore scan of 2nd Edition of Tao
suggests great improvements were made, now that AppleScript has matured.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:19:01 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steven Chang <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Using Apple Script in a C program

What is the best way to use Apple Script in a C project?  Is there a FAQ on
this or a book that covers this.


Steven K. Chang
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:46:59 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      minimum hardware requirements for as 1.1?

Can anyone tell me what the minimum hardware requirements for running
applescript 1.1 are?  Can I run it on anymac, or is it like quicktim that
I need at least a mac II to run it?

Anthony

-- The Dolphins will win the Super Bowl this season!

-- Anthony Brown, Macintosh Development Intern
-- Harvard University
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:56:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Help with a script

   I'm tired of all of this nit-picking about the books, enough already. Do
people just want to write in just to verify their existance?
  Can somebody help me with a script? I am trying to write an applescript
that will........at a certain time on a certain date open a SimpleText
file, read it with the speech mgr. and then quit SimpleText.

Yours drooley.........KingShit
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:59:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Help with a script

  I'm tired of all of this nit-picking about the books, enough already. Do
people just want to write in just to verify their existance?
  Can somebody help me with a script? I am trying to write an applescript
that will........at a certain time on a certain date open a SimpleText
file, read it with the speech mgr. and then quit SimpleText.
....................KingShit

Yours drooley.........KingShit
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:18:27 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Launching Excel from Fronti

                       Subject:                               Time:1:27 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Launching Excel from Frontier          Date:9/7/94
I'm trying to launch Excel 4 with a specific spreadsheet from Frontier 3.0.3.
I've tried the verb, app.startWithDocument, both in a script and in the
QuickScript window. The latter method seems fairly reliable, i.e. Excel
launches with the document I want. Using the verb in a script in the form:
ok = app.startWithDocument ('Excel', @docAddressInObjectDbase)
...does *not* work. Excel starts up but hangs before it gets to drawing its
toolbar and menus. Most times a Cmd-Option-Escape manages to kill it and return
control to me. Removing the 'ok' variable yields a small measure of success;
Excel may comeup once or twice before it locks up the whole system. In both
cases, the statements are being executed within a try statement.
My copy of Excel seems healthy in all other ways; I use it everyday without
incident. Likewise Frontier. I haven't tried too many alternatives, largely
because app.startWithDocument so precisely fits my needs. But I am totally open
to other methods provided they accomplish the same goal.

Any ideas from the Frontier-gurus?

Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 16:13:34 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: minimum hardware requirements for as 1.1?
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "anthony brown" at Sep 7, 94 03:46:59 pm

--anthony brown wrote:
>
>Can anyone tell me what the minimum hardware requirements for running
>applescript 1.1 are?  Can I run it on anymac, or is it like quicktim that
>I need at least a mac II to run it?

    I'm pretty sure that AppleScript can be installed and run on any Mac
that is running System 7, or better.

-Hades
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:27:00 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Cutting & pasting w Apple E

                       Subject:                               Time:3:14 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Cutting & pasting w Apple Events       Date:9/7/94
I have an Excel spreadsheet which I use to record information for later
indexing. I've developed a nice little formatting template (not to be confused
with a document template) which I apply to consecutive ranges of cells to make
the data more eyeball-friendly.
I've played around with automating the process of applying this formatting via
Apple Events. Using Frontier and the Object Model I can do various some pretty
cool things. What I can't figure out is how to emulate, directly or indirectly,
the effect of copying the formatting of my template and pasting it into the
next group of cells.
Has anybody had much experience automating Excel in a similiar way?

Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:30:50 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ** File Tracker upgrade info **
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 07 Sep 94 15:18:31 EDT"

Everyone,

You'll find a couple of new items on gaea. Mark Aiken has released FileTracker
1.5, and Full Moon software has passed along an updater for ScriptWizard. The
URLs are

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/FileTracker15.sit.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/demos/ScriptWiz1.0->1.0.1x41.sea.hqx

Cheers.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:05:59 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Delevoryas <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recent History (or:learning apple script)
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed,
              07 Sep 94 10:25:56 CDT." <[e-mail]>

> Ask yourself if you would say repeatedly to someone's face that what
they've dumped months of their life into sucked?

Exactly.

Maybe the critics could try writing a book for us to review?

I've used the Tao book.
I'm now using applescript and looking forward to learning more.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:51:25 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      None

REGARDING                None
>Mark Stewart:
>What I can't figure out is how to emulate, directly or indirectly,
>the effect of copying the formatting of my template and pasting it into >the
next group of cells.
>Has anybody had much experience automating Excel in a similiar way?

    You might consider contacting ISIS International about their "S7PX".  It is
a collection of Excel add-in's that allow you to communicate readily with
Frontier and to execute generic AppleEvents when a worksheet is recalculated.
You can actually include the AE command in a cell formula!
    Tres cool.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 16:38:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontier/PageMaker glue

Howdy again,

John Baxter has passed along a glue file for PageMaker 5.0. You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/frontier/gluefiles/PM_Frontier_Glue_pkg.sit.hqx

John says this about the package:

>   This is a package which provides "glue" for scripting PageMaker 5.0 in
>Frontier.  [PageMaker does Do Script...the glue makes that make sense.]
>Many hands contributed to the package, which was brought together by Pete
>Dako.  Other key players were Stephen Toutonghi, Chris Mahnken, and Tom
>Petaccia.
>
>   This is "postcardware".
>
>   The primary documentation would be the Aldus Script Langauge Guide for
>PageMaker.
>
>   Can also be used with Frontier Runtime...those who prefer to write in
>AppleScript will find some example scripts in that language (which Pete
>learned long after he learned his first programming language:
>UserTalk)...I believe that Frontier Runtime would need to be running, but I
>don't know that (I don't have PageMaker).

Enjoy.

pf
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:40:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using Apple Script in a C program

>What is the best way to use Apple Script in a C project?  Is there a FAQ on
>this or a book that covers this.

Inside Macintosh:  Interapplication Communication has all you need to know.
Another useful form of the information is in a two-article series by Paul
Smith in "develop" magazine, issues 18 and 19.  (Several earlier "develop"
issues also had coverage.)

If you don't want to get fancy, it's really pretty simple to "say to
AppleScript":  here, compile this text and run it and tell me what happens.
And it's only a little harder if you do want to get fancy.


   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:07:02 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Help with a script

>   Can somebody help me with a script? I am trying to write an applescript
> that will........at a certain time on a certain date open a
> SimpleText file, read it with the speech mgr. and then quit SimpleText.


Suggestion: Split it into two parts:
A) Scheduler
B) Speech part.

The scheduler part is easy -- use Chronographer (shareware).  The rest
someone who actually uses the Speech manager will hve to help with ...

-roy
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:11:28 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Excel from Frontier

>I'm trying to launch Excel 4 with a specific spreadsheet from Frontier 3.0.3.
>I've tried the verb, app.startWithDocument, both in a script and in the
>QuickScript window. The latter method seems fairly reliable, i.e. Excel
>launches with the document I want. Using the verb in a script in the form:
>ok = app.startWithDocument ('Excel', @docAddressInObjectDbase)
>...does *not* work. Excel starts up but hangs before it gets to drawing its
>toolbar and menus. Most times a Cmd-Option-Escape manages to kill it and return
>control to me. Removing the 'ok' variable yields a small measure of success;
>Excel may comeup once or twice before it locks up the whole system. In both
>cases, the statements are being executed within a try statement.
>My copy of Excel seems healthy in all other ways; I use it everyday without
>incident. Likewise Frontier. I haven't tried too many alternatives, largely
>because app.startWithDocument so precisely fits my needs. But I am totally open
>to other methods provided they accomplish the same goal.
>
>Any ideas from the Frontier-gurus?
>
I think your problem is that you're passing the address of the cell
containing the file path instead of the file path itself. I just executed
the following from a script with no problem:

        app.startWithDocument ("JPEGView", scratchpad.JPEGFile)

Just for drill, I guess I'd also make sure that the contents of
docAddressInObjectDbase is of type file-spec, coercing it if necessary.

        David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:23:35 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Excel from Fro

        Reply to:   RE>Launching Excel from Fronti
>I'm trying to launch Excel 4 with a specific spreadsheet from Frontier
3.0.3.
>I've tried the verb, app.startWithDocument, both in a script and in the
>QuickScript window. The latter method seems fairly reliable, i.e. Excel
>launches with the document I want. Using the verb in a script in the form:
>ok = app.startWithDocument ('Excel', @docAddressInObjectDbase)
>...does *not* work. Excel starts up but hangs before it gets to drawing its
>toolbar and menus. Most times a Cmd-Option-Escape manages to kill it and
return
>control to me. Removing the 'ok' variable yields a small measure of success;
>Excel may comeup once or twice before it locks up the whole system. In both
>cases, the statements are being executed within a try statement.
>My copy of Excel seems healthy in all other ways; I use it everyday without
>incident. Likewise Frontier. I haven't tried too many alternatives, largely
>because app.startWithDocument so precisely fits my needs. But I am totally
open
>to other methods provided they accomplish the same goal.
>
>Any ideas from the Frontier-gurus?
>
>Mark Stewart
>BIAD-Research Imaging Center
>UTHSCSA



    Is Excel also displaying an unneeded open dialog box?  Don't forget to
set setEventInteraction() to false, otherwise Excel will wait tirelessly for
you to select a file to open in it's dialog box.
    I've not had the problem you're having....

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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:31:53 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Help with a script

        Reply to:   RE>>Help with a script
>>   Can somebody help me with a script? I am trying to write an applescript
>> that will........at a certain time on a certain date open a
>> SimpleText file, read it with the speech mgr. and then quit SimpleText.
>
>
>Suggestion: Split it into two parts:
>A) Scheduler
>B) Speech part.
>
>The scheduler part is easy -- use Chronographer (shareware).  The rest
>someone who actually uses the Speech manager will hve to help with ...
>
>-roy


    I think part B should be easy as well.  Just record it (make sure the
Speech Manager is installed!).  A little editing and you're done...

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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:54:04 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Open With

REGARDING                Open With
I'm trying to produce a drag-n-drop applet that opens a text file with a
specific application, regardless of the creator type it's graced with.
    It would be great if AppleScript had Frontier's launch.appWithDocument().
The following script is my effort to do this:


on open selectedFile
    tell application "Finder"
        display dialog selectedFile as string --Just so I can see!
        tell application "Finder Liaison 1.0"
            copy (Get Creator of File selectedFile) to originalCreator
        end tell
        Set Creator of file selectedFile To "quil"
        open selectedFile
        Set Creator of file selectedFile To originalCreator
    end tell
end open


    When I drag and drop, I get this:
            "Cannot get file <blah, blah, blah> of application
            Finder Liason 1.0.  Access not allowed."

    What am I doing wrong?  I've seen this error dialog before.  The offending
statement is "Get Creator of File selectedFile".

Thanks in advance for any councel and advice.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:10:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: scriptable graphics conversion

Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> writes:

><uninvited impersonal GIF flames>
>
>Please, do me a favor.  Never create another GIF file in your life.  Use
>JPEG instead.  You get a 24 bit file in the same space (or better
>compression if you are willing to sacrifice image details).
...
>Down with GIF!

Hear, hear!

However, I should point out some real-world unpleasantness. I've been
occasionally helping a colleague get scanned images into our WWW server,
by taking TIFF files off a DOS-format disk into Adobe Photoshop, exporting
them in JPEG format, and then FTPing them onto the UNIX host. So far he's
had no success with these, whereas if I try converting to GIF and FTPing him
that instead, it works fine. This would seem to rule out any problem at the FTP
step (I'm using Anarchie).

Conclusion: some of the JPEG code that's around on the more deprived platforms
may not be the best...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 19:06:41 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Help with a script

        Reply to:   RE>>Help with a script
>>Suggestion: Split it into two parts:
>>A) Scheduler
>>B) Speech part.
>>
>>The scheduler part is easy -- use Chronographer (shareware).  The rest
>>someone who actually uses the Speech manager will hve to help with ...
>>
>>-roy
>
>
>    I think part B should be easy as well.  Just record it (make sure the
>Speech Manager is installed!).  A little editing and you're done...

    Oops!  SimpleText isn't scriptable and the Scriptable Text Editor (what I
actually had in mind) -- included in the AppleScript developer's kit --
doesn't read text aloud.

Apologies--
Richard Petty

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Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:13:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Open With

Richard Petty <[e-mail]> writes:

>I'm trying to produce a drag-n-drop applet that opens a text file with a
>specific application, regardless of the creator type it's graced with.

    tell application "specific application" to open file "text file"

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 19:37:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: my own question

RE: To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
Subject: Help with a script


  Can somebody help me with a script? I am trying to write an applescript
that will........at a certain time on a certain date open a SimpleText
file, read it with the speech mgr. and then quit SimpleText.

tell application "SimpleText copy"
        open file "name of text file"
        activate
        Select Menu Item menu id 134 menu item id 5
        quit application "SimpleText copy"
end tell

This almost works for the second half of the script, except it starts to
speak the text with the speech mgr., but then the quit application command
kicks in before the speech can be completed. P.S. this is also using the
"menu events" scripting addition & extension.
    I really like the SimpleText program, the speech and record functions
make it a small, yet powerful,  fun text editor.

KingShit
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:54:02 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recent History (or:learning apple script)
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Steve Kalkwarf wrote:

> I was very unhappy with my purchase. The biggest problem was that lots of
> the sample scripts were just plain wrong. Some didn't syntax check, some
> didn't run properly when compiled. My margins are filled with notes
> correcting scripts, up until around chapter 8, when I gave up.

Hmmm. I do know that some of the later scripts had problems, but the
earlier ones should have been fine. Don't suppose you'd mind xeroxing
some of those and sending them to me?

BTW, attentive to those complaints, I tried very hard to check the
scripts in Tao 2. I know it doesn't help Tao 1 owners with the same
problem, but it's something.

Derrick
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:56:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recent History (or:learning apple script)
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, John W. Baxter wrote:

> AppleScript was not only very late, it also appears to have been a moving
> target right up until after the release of 1.0 (and Tao, and Handbook)
> (witness 1.1 appearing right after 1.0 was frozen into System 7 Pro).

Tell me about it! I wasn't thrilled with having 1.1 come out four months
after the Tao book. Hopefully I'll have a bit of a break for the next
version!

Derrick
"Last time I ever write about an unreleased product!"
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 19:18:07 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Send me AliasExpander

Send me AliasExpander,

Thanks,

Mike Lennon.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 18:56:11 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Open With

>REGARDING                Open With
>I'm trying to produce a drag-n-drop applet that opens a text file with a
>specific application, regardless of the creator type it's graced with.
>    It would be great if AppleScript had Frontier's launch.appWithDocument().
>The following script is my effort to do this:

I recommend that you forget about the old Finder and the various aids which
worked around its scripting limitations (caused by its being frozen
somewhat before System 7.0 shipped in May of 1991, well before the rest of
Apple events and AppleScript), and go with the Scriptable Finder.

There, you can use open in this very sensible way (copied from the Dictionary)

open: Open the specified object(s)
    open  reference  -- list of objects to open
        [using  reference]  -- the application file to open the object with


Just name the desired application in the using clause.

Scriptable Finder comes with System 7.5...it's also available for $25 from
APDA.  Cheaper than working around the sorts of things you're trying to do.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 18:56:24 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cutting & pasting w Apple E

>                       Subject:                               Time:3:14 PM
>  OFFICE MEMO          Cutting & pasting w Apple Events       Date:9/7/94
>I have an Excel spreadsheet which I use to record information for later
>indexing. I've developed a nice little formatting template (not to be confused
>with a document template) which I apply to consecutive ranges of cells to make
>the data more eyeball-friendly.
>I've played around with automating the process of applying this formatting via
>Apple Events. Using Frontier and the Object Model I can do various some pretty
>cool things. What I can't figure out is how to emulate, directly or indirectly,
>the effect of copying the formatting of my template and pasting it into the
>next group of cells.
>Has anybody had much experience automating Excel in a similiar way?

I haven't had much luck (in either UserTalk or AppleScript) trying to apply
formats to Excel cells or cell ranges.  I think that's because I'm not
smart enough to figure out how to do it (I *think* the capability is
somewhere there in Excel).  Sorry.

   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 18:56:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Excel from Fronti

>                       Subject:                               Time:1:27 PM
>  OFFICE MEMO          Launching Excel from Frontier          Date:9/7/94
>I'm trying to launch Excel 4 with a specific spreadsheet from Frontier 3.0.3.
>I've tried the verb, app.startWithDocument, both in a script and in the
>QuickScript window. The latter method seems fairly reliable, i.e. Excel
>launches with the document I want. Using the verb in a script in the form:
>ok = app.startWithDocument ('Excel', @docAddressInObjectDbase)
>...does *not* work. Excel starts up but hangs before it gets to drawing its
>toolbar and menus. Most times a Cmd-Option-Escape manages to kill it and return
>control to me. Removing the 'ok' variable yields a small measure of success;
>Excel may comeup once or twice before it locks up the whole system. In both
>cases, the statements are being executed within a try statement.
>My copy of Excel seems healthy in all other ways; I use it everyday without
>incident. Likewise Frontier. I haven't tried too many alternatives, largely
>because app.startWithDocument so precisely fits my needs. But I am totally open
>to other methods provided they accomplish the same goal.

Either this:
   launch.appWithDocument ("Vashon:Excel:Microsoft Excel",
"Vashon:Excel:Weight Excel")

or this:

   app.startWithDocument ("Excel", "Vashon:Excel:Weight Excel")

works find for me, PROVIDED Excel is not already running.  If Excel is
already running, just use

with objectModel, Excel
    setEventInteraction (false)
    open ("Vashon:Excel:Weight Excel")

(you may or may not want to follow that with setEventInteraction (true)
[that setting is per script (and the scripts that script calls), with a
default of true]).

As usual, you can tell which form to use by using
sys.appIsRunning ("MicroSoft Excel")

or
sys.appIsRunning (Excel.id)

either of which is true if Excel is running.
   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 22:27:00 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Scott S. Lawton" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Fax Merging with Word/FaxSTF/Touchbase Pro

>And of course Word 5.1a is not AppleScript aware as far as I can see...,
>neither is Touchbase Pro 3.0i (although 4.0 is... but no-one in Australia
>wants to sell it to me!).

Our Player utility adds verbs to AppleScript for directly controlling the
user interface: choose from a menu or pop-up, select a radio button, type
text, etc.  I used it to drive FAXstf from FileMaker (from a FAX
correspondance database) until I gave up on 'stf and switched to software
that came with my FAX box.

$95 + shipping, 60-day Money Back Guarantee.

A press release, data sheet & comparison to QuicKeys & Tempo should be
posted on gaea shortly.  I'd be happy to e-mail one or more of these docs
in the meantime.

cheers,

-- SSL, PreFab Software
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 20:00:19 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kirk Stork <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Help with a script

>        Reply to:   RE>>Help with a script
>>>Suggestion: Split it into two parts:
>>>A) Scheduler
>>>B) Speech part.
>>>
>>>The scheduler part is easy -- use Chronographer (shareware).  The rest
>>>someone who actually uses the Speech manager will hve to help with ...
>>>
>>>-roy
>>
>>
>>    I think part B should be easy as well.  Just record it (make sure the
>>Speech Manager is installed!).  A little editing and you're done...
>
>    Oops!  SimpleText isn't scriptable and the Scriptable Text Editor (what I
>actually had in mind) -- included in the AppleScript developer's kit --
>doesn't read text aloud.
>
How about Saint Edit?  Been a while since I used it, but it does read text.  Don
't know if its scriptable and recordable though.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 20:00:31 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kirk Stork <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: scriptable graphics conversion

>Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>><uninvited impersonal GIF flames>
>>
>>Please, do me a favor.  Never create another GIF file in your life.  Use
>>JPEG instead.  You get a 24 bit file in the same space (or better
>>compression if you are willing to sacrifice image details).
>...
>>Down with GIF!
>
>Hear, hear!
>
>However, I should point out some real-world unpleasantness. I've been
>occasionally helping a colleague get scanned images into our WWW server,
>by taking TIFF files off a DOS-format disk into Adobe Photoshop, exporting
>them in JPEG format, and then FTPing them onto the UNIX host. So far he's
>had no success with these, whereas if I try converting to GIF and FTPing him
>that instead, it works fine. This would seem to rule out any problem at the FTP
>step (I'm using Anarchie).
>
>Conclusion: some of the JPEG code that's around on the more deprived platforms
>may not be the best...
>

Only one thing.  Does your JPEG conversion use Quicktime?  If so, try turning of
f Quicktime compression when you convert.  This may solve the UNIX box's problem
 with the JPEG.  Other than that I don't know, the favored format at my place se
ems to be .rgb - Huge files.

--just another guy in favor of eliminating GIF forever--
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 00:01:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Sean Elfstrom (457235635)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: scriptable graphics conversion
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" at Sep 8, 94 11:10:00 am

> Hear, hear!
>
> However, I should point out some real-world unpleasantness. I've been
> occasionally helping a colleague get scanned images into our WWW server,
> by taking TIFF files off a DOS-format disk into Adobe Photoshop, exporting
> them in JPEG format, and then FTPing them onto the UNIX host. So far he's
> had no success with these, whereas if I try converting to GIF and FTPing him
> that instead, it works fine. This would seem to rule out any problem at the FT
P
> step (I'm using Anarchie).
>
> Conclusion: some of the JPEG code that's around on the more deprived platforms
> may not be the best...
>

Actually your JPEG code is probably fine. While http servers may support
inline JPEG images, I do not know of any *client* that does. A professor
here was having the same problem, and things cleared up when he went to
GIFs. I believe the only supported formats are GIF and Xbim (or whatever
that X bitmap format is called :)   ).

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Date:         Wed, 7 Sep 1994 23:34:35 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: my own question

>tell application "SimpleText copy"
>        open file "name of text file"
>        activate
>        Select Menu Item menu id 134 menu item id 5
>        quit application "SimpleText copy"
>end tell
>
>This almost works for the second half of the script, except it starts to
>speak the text with the speech mgr., but then the quit application command
>kicks in before the speech can be completed.

You could delay the "quit" command a number of ways....but the best way to
do it would be to use the "idle..end idle" handler. Other ways of delaying
will eat up processor power during the delay.

global i
set i to 1
on idle
   if i = 1 then
      tell application "SimpleText copy"
         open file "name of text file"
         activate
         Select Menu Item menu id 134 menu item id 5
      end tell
   else if i = 2 then
      tell application "SimpleText copy" to quit
      quit
   end if
   set i to i + 1
   return 600         -- this is the delay in seconds before it sends the
                         quit command
end idle


Note that this script won't run unless you save it as an "stay open"
application, and run it from the Finder.

-Dave

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 David Ray                Dream Designs          Music Composition
 [e-mail]         PO Box 5631            Interactive Multimedia
 510-527-9010             Berkeley CA 94705      Virtual Worlds
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:19:50 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      AS 1.1 - bug or feature?

Hi folks,

I don't know if this has been discussed before; apologies if that's so.

We've noticed that, if AppleScript 1.1 is installed, but the scripting
additions folder is missing (or incorrectly named), it transparently
creates a new, empty, scripting additions folder (in turn containing a
new, empty, dialects folder).

Thereafter, AS 1.1 will be unable to extract source code from scripts,
and will not allow dictionaries to be opened.

This could be useful in that a very simple script (one that uses no
scripting additions) should run as long as at least the AS 1.1
extension is loaded, whether or not scripting additions and dialects
are present. It might be a bug, though. Something to watch out for
when troubleshooting.


best regards, Paul

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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 20:33:37 +1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: my own question

>that will........at a certain time on a certain date open a SimpleText

I'm really keen to see how you get the date & time launching happening.

Is the only way to have an applet in the startup items folder constantly
checking the time & date or what?

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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 05:35:47 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Perry Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: READ CAREFULLY: Newsgroup Poll

I just joined this group and so I think I have a little insight that
others might not.  It took me a while, like a month or so, to discover this
mailig list and then it was in an offhand reply.  So I feel I "lucked"
out by finding this group.  I'm 100% positive that there are probably
two or three other mailing lists for the same purpose (thats my gut feel).

I think mailing lists fail in a number of dimensions.  If you have 16
messages per day, then I think that statistic alone justifies a newsgroup.
I have often been stuck inside a large corporation that did not have
news but I could get mail back and forth.  So I would keep a mailing list
that echoed messages back and forth.

I would also post at least once a month that this mailing list exists
in news until a news group is created.

pedz
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:04:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      My first BBEdit/AppleScript!

=46riends

I am re-sending this message from last week. My questions are still relevant=
:

--------(included message)----------

   I've been complaining for a few days about scripts for BBEdit. Well, now
I've done something about it: here's my first successful AppleScript. It
examines a text file line-by-line, then copies each line to a second
window. Bear with me -- as simple as it is, it's taken me three days to get
it to work.

   My goodness is it slow! Is there any way to speed it up, perhaps by
bypassing the Clipboard? Thanks for any pointers.

tell application "BBEdit 3.0"
        activate
        open alias "Mustela furo:Polya:Test 002.bbe"
        open alias "Mustela furo:Polya:Test 001.bbe"
        set lineCount to Number of Lines in window 1
        --the only classes are Window and Application, no
        --support for Word, Text item, or Character
        set newLine to ""
        repeat with i from 1 to lineCount
                Go To Line i
                --I originally had "Go to line i of Window 1"
                --a definite "no-no"; thanks to Rich Siegel of
                --BBEdit for this pointer.
                Select Current Line
                --the only things you can select are Current Line,
                --Paragraph, and Everything. Any other selection must
                --be through the Find command.
                Copy
                set newLine to clipboard
                --is there a better way to do this, rather than
                --go through the clipboard?
                Exchange Windows
                if newLine =82 "" then
                        Insert Text (newLine as text)
                else
                        Insert Text return
                end if
                Exchange Windows
        end repeat
end tell

   Clint
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 06:36:25 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andrew T. Johnston" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE>>Cutting & pasting w Apple Events

Hi,

>>What I can't figure out is how to emulate, directly or indirectly,
>>the effect of copying the formatting of my template and pasting it into the
>>next group of cells.
>>Has anybody had much experience automating Excel in a similiar way?

>I haven't had much luck (in either UserTalk or AppleScript) trying to apply
>formats to Excel cells or cell ranges.

I have no experience with Frontier, but I do have a script that runs daily
to produce a decent-looking report in Excel. The script itself is huge, but
I've included some bits that might be relevant below.

My understanding is that there is some process for using an app's user
terminology resource to make the right commands, etc. available to Frontier.
Hopefully you'll be able to do that in this case.

These script bits require Excel 4.0 to be useful.

tell application "Excel 4.0"
  --
  -- range references are strings in the form of "Ry1Cx1:Ry2Cx2"
  -- where x1,x2 are column numbers, and y1,y2 are row numbers
  --
  set rangeString to ("R" & rowOffset & "C1:R" & (rowCount + rowOffset) & "C6")
  set bottom border of Range rangeString to hairline
  set bold of Range rangeString to true
  set alignment of Range rangeString to center
  set the number format of Range rangeString to "0.00" -- number format string
end tell


Hopefully helpful,
  Andrew

------------------
Andrew T. Johnston
Apple Canada, Inc.
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:19:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Fax Merging with Word/FaxSTF/Touchbase Pro
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 07 Sep 94 22:27:00 CDT"

Scott Lawton says....

>A press release, data sheet & comparison to QuicKeys & Tempo should be
>posted on gaea shortly.  I'd be happy to e-mail one or more of these docs
>in the meantime.

They are up. Check out

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/PRs/PlayerInfo.sit.hqx

Cheers.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:21:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      POLLS CLOSE TOMORROW

Everyone,

Just a gentle reminder that the newsgroup creation polls close tomorrow. So
get those ballots in. I only have 160 ballots and there are now 812
subscribers; our percentages haven't improved much.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:54:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Sean Elfstrom (457235635)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: My first BBEdit/AppleScript!
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Clinton MacDonald" at Sep 8, 94 08:04:07 am

[text deleted...]
>
>    My goodness is it slow! Is there any way to speed it up, perhaps by
> bypassing the Clipboard? Thanks for any pointers.
>
> tell application "BBEdit 3.0"
>         activate
>         open alias "Mustela furo:Polya:Test 002.bbe"
>         open alias "Mustela furo:Polya:Test 001.bbe"
>         set lineCount to Number of Lines in window 1
>         --the only classes are Window and Application, no
>         --support for Word, Text item, or Character
>         set newLine to ""
>         repeat with i from 1 to lineCount
>                 Go To Line i
>                 --I originally had "Go to line i of Window 1"
>                 --a definite "no-no"; thanks to Rich Siegel of
>                 --BBEdit for this pointer.
>                 Select Current Line
>                 --the only things you can select are Current Line,
>                 --Paragraph, and Everything. Any other selection must
>                 --be through the Find command.
>                 Copy
>                 set newLine to clipboard
>                 --is there a better way to do this, rather than
>                 --go through the clipboard?
>                 Exchange Windows
>                 if newLine =82 "" then
>                         Insert Text (newLine as text)
>                 else
>                         Insert Text return
>                 end if
>                 Exchange Windows
>         end repeat
> end tell

You should be able to set newLine to selection directly, without using
the clipboard.

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[phone]                 | PGP Key available via finger
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:07:33 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: my own question
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 08 Sep 94 20:33:37 +0900"

>>that will........at a certain time on a certain date open a SimpleText
>
>I'm really keen to see how you get the date & time launching happening.
>
>Is the only way to have an applet in the startup items folder constantly
>checking the time & date or what?

Check out the Scheduler demo on gaea

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/demos/schedulerdemo.hqx

You might also want to looking into using QuicKeys (if you own it), Chron, or
Chronograph. I can't find the URL for Chron at the moment, and I don't think
Chronograph is on the net. I'll pull it down from AOL tonight and put it up on
gaea.

I'm sure others can add to this list or provide the missing URLs.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:22:02 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Boroditsky <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      Re: Launching Excel from Fronti

I have also experienced strange things with Excel.

The way I launch it is with
  launch.anything(docname)

This works great provided docname is an excel document. If you don't have a
document you want to open, just create one, change the type and creator,
launch it, and then delete it (once you have closed it from Excel).


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Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:15:26 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Kost <[e-mail]>
Subject:      who what where how

Greetings

I have a couple question about some of the traffic I've been
seening here. If this is too redundant point me to info please....

Is there any way to use dialogs or other user interface stuff
with scripts, such as progress bars (other than the Tao one),
change cursor, etc?  I've seen references to userfirst(sp?).

What is osaxen, endora?

thanks

Mike

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                 Frank Zappa
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:54:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Main <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Finder question

Newbie question: how do you tell the scriptable finder to launch
an application?  A one-liner would be best for my needs.


thanks,

Todd Main
Motorola Dynamic Memory Products
[e-mail]
[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:20:00 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Birch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS apps controlling AS apps

I sent this message a few days ago, right before our system administrator
screwed up my e-mail account. So I apologize about the repitition, but I'd
really appreciate an answer, and I haven't seen one so far.

------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is probably a dumb question, but I still consider myself a novice at
AppleScripting, so I'm allowed, right?

Can I have a master AS application send data to another AS application and
GET data back from it? I haven't been able to figure out how to do it. That
is, I think I'm successfully the second AS app the data, but I'm apparently
not getting back any data.

Thanks for any help on this.

Dennis Birch
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 18:09:15 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      ScriptWizard 1.0.1x41 updater

Hi folks,

We posted an updater for ScriptWizard, taking version 1.0 to version
1.0.1x41, on Gaea and on AppleLink. This version fixes a handful of
bugs in addition to those fixed in version 1.0.1fc1 (uploaded a month
ago). The most important differences are a bunch of fixes to memory
handling in the Dictionary windows, eliminating serious memory leaks.
Also, the "cursor wars" in the Dictionary window are fixed at last.

It seems there may be a corruption in the updater file that was uploaded
to gaea; we are investigating. We'll announce on MACSCRPT as soon as
it is safe to download it from gaea. For the time being, try if you wish
but we have had reports of FTP/binhex errors while downloading the file.

(If you are in a desperate hurry to get the update, you can find it on
AppleLink.)


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        || UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||   fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               || US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||   fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:28:53 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> AS apps controlling AS apps

>Can I have a master AS application send data to another AS application and
>GET data back from it? I haven't been able to figure out how to do it. That
>is, I think I'm successfully the second AS app the data, but I'm apparently
>not getting back any data.

Not quite sure what your asking for. If your talking about two AS "script"
applications, then its just passing data to a handler and returning data. The
slave application must be save as an AS application


-- Master Application

-- get data1 somehow

tell application "slave"
        set theResult to doSomething(data1)
end tell




-- Slave Application


on doSomething(someData)
        -- do something with someData and create returnData
        ---
        return returnData
end

steve
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:31:04 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Open text file and read

Long live the King...

In regard to your question of opening a SimpleText file and reading it with
Speech Manager...

If the file in question is actually a SimpleText file (ie. type = "TEXT" and
creator = "ttxt") and you're not concerned with the 32K limitation, you may want
to use the Scriptable Text Editor to open the text file. Though the file will be
opened as a scriptable text editor version, you'll have more scriptable control
over the file and the text editor. You should also look into the scripting
addition from Mark Alldritt called "Speech" which can be found in the Script
Tools v1.3 Library. I've used this addition many times to read aloud items such
as mail messages, contents of dialog messages I write in scripts, and values
contained inside records of a FMPro database.

In regards of your script's posting:

>tell application "SimpleText copy"
>        open file "name of text file"
>        activate
>        Select Menu Item menu id 134 menu item id 5
>        quit application "SimpleText copy"
>end tell

try something like this script below...

(Note: this needs the Scriptable Text Editor, the "Speech" scripting addition
from Mark Alldritt, and a file with type and creator as that of a SimpleText
file (or something readable by Scriptable Text Editor)).

tell application "Scriptable Text Editor"
    launch
    open file "name of text file"
    speak contents of window 1
    quit application saving no
end tell

I believe you opened the file in the original script to allow yourself a chance
to read along with the contents of the file. However, with the "Speech"
scripting addition combined with the "Read/Write Commands" scripting addition
which came with the AppleScript runtime package, you can read a file's contents
directly off of the disk without dumping the contents into any window.

I'll try to help out further if you need. Can just post the ? directly to the
mailing list or contact me via e-mail.

Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
AOL:        [e-mail]
eWorld:     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:32:00 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dave Wise <[e-mail]>
Subject:      End of File Error

REGARDING                End of File Error
Has anyone ever gotten an end of file error? I keep getting one when I try
to use the run script or read file command.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:28:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS apps controlling AS apps
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 08 Sep 94 10:20:00 PDT"

Everyone,

>I sent this message a few days ago, right before our system administrator
>screwed up my e-mail account. So I apologize about the repitition, but I'd
>really appreciate an answer, and I haven't seen one so far.

Just to point out something else for those times that you have email problems,
you can always retrieve the digests from gaea or get them from the listserv.

If you send the message, INFO REFCARD to the [e-mail] address,
you'll find out that you can get a list of archived files. The digests are
updated daily (hourly?) and can be obtained with

get macscript LOG9408

I try to remember to pull back one of these on a weekly basis during the month
and place it in the /applescript/docs/digests/ directory with a title like
Aug94.todate. You will also find the digests going back to February (when the
list was moved to Dartmouth) in that directory.

Have fun.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:41:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder question
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Todd Main" at Sep 8, 94 11:54:16 am

--Todd Main wrote:
>
>Newbie question: how do you tell the scriptable finder to launch
>an application?  A one-liner would be best for my needs.

    Why do you want to use the Scriptable Finder to do this? All you
need to do is type: tell application "app name" to activate.
    This works from AppleScript, and will launch any application you
have on a mounted volume.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:56:53 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Luis Muench <[e-mail]>
Subject:      A counting program

Hello all:

        I was wondering if there is such a program that will count or
tally the total number of keypresses and mouse clicks. I am researching a
study that would either correlate or dispell RSI (repetitive stress
injuries, a.k.a Carpal Tunnel or Tendinitis) with the amount of work one
does per hour and/or per day. It would be a tool in diagnosing people at
risk, etc.

        If you know of such a program or are interested in developing
such a diagnostic and research tool, please contact me directly.

TIA

-Luis
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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:17:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder question

> Newbie question: how do you tell the scriptable finder to launch
> an application?  A one-liner would be best for my needs.

tell application "Finder"
        open "Implements:Utility Folders:Microsoft Excel:Microsoft Excel"
end tell

or something like that.  You need to use a reference for the 'open' command

-roy, still hazy
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:36:25 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]>
Organization: magnet - The Personal Online Source
Subject:      [A] minimum hardware requirements for as 1.1?

>Can anyone tell me what the minimum hardware requirements for >running
>applescript 1.1 are?  Can I run it on anymac, or is it like quicktim >that
>I need at least a mac II to run it?

You need at least an 68020 (Mac II,LC) to run AppleScript 1.1


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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:16:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dave Jaksha <[e-mail]>
Subject:      debugger

Is there a applescript enviroment that has a debugger and find, ect.

Thanks - Dave
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:25:45 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Paul Du bois <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder question

Todd Main writes:

>>Newbie question: how do you tell the scriptable finder to launch
an application?  A one-liner would be best for my needs.<<


tell application "Finder"
 activate
 select file "" of folder "" of startup disk
 open selection
end tell

Hope this helps
John
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:40:15 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: debugger
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Dave Jaksha" at Sep 8, 94 12:16:20 pm

--Dave Jaksha wrote:
>
>Is there a applescript enviroment that has a debugger and find, ect.

    There are two that I know of that are shipping: Scripter from Main
Event Software which I saw at MacWorld Boston this year. It looked ok,
but there were way too many dialog boxes and it seemed to try and hold
your hand a lot, but this could have been a side-effect of the way the
demo was presented. The second is ScriptWizard, there's a demo version
of this on gaea. From what I've seen of this program, it has some nice
parts to it (specifically the dictionary feature which I liked a lot),
but I never looked at the debugger and it the program struck me as still
being in beta release rather than full 1.0 release.  I'm also pretty
sure that there will be other AppleScript debugging environments coming
out in the near future since AppleScript is now a standard part of the
System Software.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:57:05 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS apps controlling AS apps
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Dennis Birch wrote:

> Can I have a master AS application send data to another AS application and
> GET data back from it? I haven't been able to figure out how to do it. That
> is, I think I'm successfully the second AS app the data, but I'm apparently
> not getting back any data.

You can use the same "tell application" syntax, as follows:

ASApp1 (receiver):
on returnResult(x)
   return x * 3 --Actually, just writing x * 3 will work too
end returnResult

ASApp2 (sender):
tell application "ASApp1"
    returnResult(3)
end tell

If you run ASApp2 from Script Editor, you will get a 9 in the result
window (3 * 3).

This also works for networked AS apps:
tell application "ASApp1" of machine "Some other machine" of zone "Some
other zone, if present"

Hope this helps,
Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 13:13:26 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: who what where how

>Is there any way to use dialogs or other user interface stuff
>with scripts, such as progress bars (other than the Tao one),
>change cursor, etc?  I've seen references to userfirst(sp?).

i tried facespan and eventually gave it up. i now use hypercard for my
front end. only difficulty is that the scripts are limited to 30k compiled
which translates to about 7k of typed script.

>What is osaxen, endora?

osaxen = plural of osax
osax is to applescript as xcmd is to hypercard

kee nethery
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:41:14 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John G Dorsey <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Speaking selection/Clipboard?

My site uses an internally developed mail client, which is, of course,
not scriptable. =)

I have Script Tools, which allegedly can speak (using Speech Manager)
input parameters. What would be the most efficient way to make a script
that could speak some selected or copied text? The idea would be to make
an applet, which I would launch from the Finder after selecting/copying
the text.

Thanks!
John Dorsey                      <[e-mail]>
Carnegie Mellon University      <[e-mail]>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ftp://lightspeed.pc.cc.cmu.edu/
http://lightspeed.pc.cc.cmu.edu/
    (under construction!)
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:30:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Problem running scripts on PowerMac 6100

Hello there,

I'm having a problem running some scripts on a PowerMac 6100/60av that ran
fine on the Centris 610 that I wrote them on. They are both running System
7.5b2. The Centris 610 is running a wide variety of extensions and the
PowerMac is running the bare minimum extensions.

The Finder sometimes gets a -111 error which looks some sort of memory error.
I've also had a variety of other crashes. I have never had the full script
run successfully.

Here's the chunk of script that just caused the -111 error.

tell application "Finder"
  set folderName to "DTS Send Prefs"
  if folder folderName in preferences folder exists then   <-- problem here
     set DTSPrefFolder to folder folderName in preferences folder
     if not (file fileName in DTSPrefFolder exists) then
        display dialog "The \"DTS WhomToSendTo\" file doesn't exist!"
        my CreateWhomToSendTo(DTSPrefFolder as string)
     end if
  else -- "DTS Send Prefs" does not exist
       -- We want to create a new folder and the files that go in it.
     make new folder at preferences folder with properties {name:folderName}
     my CreateWhomToSendTo(folder folderName in preferences folder as string)
  end if -- "DTS Send Prefs" exists
end tell

The "if folder folderName in preferences folder exists then" usually times
out and the Finder gets the -111 error. The folder does exist.

Is there something different about the PowerMacs? Or is there something
obvious that I'm missing here.

This script has run on the PowerMac before but I've been getting a lot of
errors on the PowerMac whenever I try to run my main script which loads this
script. (I've tried running this script through the main script and as a
standalone script). Again, these scripts work fine on my Centris 610.

Thanks for the list,

Greg

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Technical Support Staff     | Bringing the best in K-12 distance education
[e-mail] | to remote schools across the United States.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:45:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: debugger

>--Dave Jaksha wrote:
>>
>>Is there a applescript enviroment that has a debugger and find, ect.
>
>    There are two that I know of that are shipping: Scripter from Main
>Event Software which I saw at MacWorld Boston this year. It looked ok,
>but there were way too many dialog boxes and it seemed to try and hold
>your hand a lot, but this could have been a side-effect of the way the
>demo was presented.

Brian:

Do you have an email address (or even the phone) of Main Event?

I (and a collegue) talked to Cal Simone at WWDC this year. Strange guy!

Have they annouced a ship date yet or are they mearly in a late beta?

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:51:33 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Setting memory sizes of apps??

Can you safely reduce the default (?) memory allocation of 200K given to AS
standalone apps? (Some of us have got less than 10MB RAM....)

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:55:37 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: debugger

>--Dave Jaksha wrote:
>>
>>Is there a applescript enviroment that has a debugger and find, ect.
>
>    There are two that I know of that are shipping: Scripter from Main
>Event Software which I saw at MacWorld Boston this year. It looked ok,
>but there were way too many dialog boxes and it seemed to try and hold
>your hand a lot, but this could have been a side-effect of the way the
>demo was presented.

That last piece of mail was meant to go to Brian directly!

Anyhow Cal just gave me a call! He says they're aren't "way too many dialog
boxes". I haven't see the product yet so I can't comment one way or the
other.

Gotta be careful with those mail addresses :-)

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:22:02 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Help with a script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Richard Petty wrote:

>     Oops!  SimpleText isn't scriptable and the Scriptable Text Editor (what I
> actually had in mind) -- included in the AppleScript developer's kit --
> doesn't read text aloud.

However, you can do what you wish. As part of the Script Tools collection
of scripting additions, there is a Speech scripting addition. I actually
wrote a script that would read the contents of Scriptable Text Editor,
but I don't have it in front of me so I'm working off of memory:

tell application "Scriptable Text Editor"
   speak (the contents of window 1) voice "Male Voice" --Or whatever
voice you choose
end tell
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 8 Sep 1994 22:25:29 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      Re: ScriptWizard 1.0.1x41 updater

Hi folks,

In Regards to my letter <[e-mail]>:
>
> It seems there may be a corruption in the updater file that was uploaded
> to gaea; we are investigating. We'll announce on MACSCRPT as soon as
> it is safe to download it from gaea. For the time being, try if you wish
> but we have had reports of FTP/binhex errors while downloading the file.
>

It seems that the archive is OK; Fred Terry has downloaded and unpacked
it OK. (If you have difficulty, we recommend FTPing it down with automatic
de-binhexing turned off, and then manually de-binhexing it afterwards.)

The file location on gaea is:

applescript/updates/ScriptWiz1.0->1.0.1x41.sea.hqx


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        || UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||   fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               || US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||   fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 00:08:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: debugger
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 08 Sep 94 15:45:56 PDT"

Kevin,
>
>Do you have an email address (or even the phone) of Main Event?
>
>I (and a collegue) talked to Cal Simone at WWDC this year. Strange guy!

Check the faq. Honest, it's in there.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 16:34:38 +1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Open text file and read

>In regard to your question of opening a SimpleText file and reading it with
>Speech Manager...

Excuse me for perhaps being impertinent, but why the hell are so many
people trying to get the Speech Manager to read stuff?

Are you just trying to do what the Apple ads think you should do?
(If all the queries are for work with blind people I could understand)
But, hey, I find all of the voices in the speech manager really annoying.

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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:21:54 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rolf Kocherhans <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Password Help

I am lucking for something like this I would like to be
able to have a password command, which I can start before
all the rest of an AppleScript gets executed.

I tried the Password OSAXEN alredy, it would be good, but
it compiles the password differently about every 3rd time.
so it is actually useless.

Rolf

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______________________________________________________________________________
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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:01:28 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: script wizard updater

I too had problems debinhexing the ScriptWizard updater file at the =
MACSCRPT archives. Out of curiosity, I took a look inside the file and =
noticed that the first couple lines were kind of screwed up. After editing =
these lines, I was able to defunk the archive without problems.

If you have problems, try going in with a text editor, moving the text =
which begins "(this file must be converted..." to a newline, and deleting =
the garbage above it. Eventually a new archive should be uploaded if there =
really is a problem with the copy there.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 08:40:02 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: debugger
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Kevin Purcell" at Sep 8, 94 04:55:37 pm

--Kevin Purcell wrote:
>
>Anyhow Cal just gave me a call! He says they're aren't "way too many dialog
>boxes". I haven't see the product yet so I can't comment one way or the
>other.

    Well, gee, now there's a big surprise. I certainly wouldn't expect
the programmer of the product to agree to my criticisms. Remember, all
of that stuff I posted in my previous article was my opinion of Scripter
and ScriptWizard. As always, YMMV.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 08:42:29 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem running scripts on PowerMac 6100
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Greg Francis" at Sep 8, 94 02:30:16 pm

--Greg Francis wrote:
>
>Here's the chunk of script that just caused the -111 error.
>
>tell application "Finder"
>  set folderName to "DTS Send Prefs"
>  if folder folderName in preferences folder exists then   <-- problem here

    I'm kind of surprised this line compiled correctly. The syntax is
incorrect. It should read like this:

        if exists folder folderName in preferences folder then

    The exists command takes as it's argument a file/folder reference.
The argument is supposed to come after the command.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 08:03:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Buberel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptWizard 1.0.1x41 updater

Paul,

I'm not so sure the archive is OK.  Using anarchie 1.3 with automatic
decoding turned off, stuffit expander 3.5.1 gives me an error:

Sorry, a disk related error (-48) has occurred

and then quits.  I would imagine this is the way most people are going to get
and decode the file, so you might want to re-binhex and repost it.

-jason

============================================
Jason L. Buberel -=+=-  Graduate Student
University of Illinois - Neuroscience
217.244.0115     -=+=-  [e-mail]
============================================

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Fri, Sep 9, 1994 ------

Hi folks,

In Regards to my letter <[e-mail]>:
>
> It seems there may be a corruption in the updater file that was uploaded
> to gaea; we are investigating. We'll announce on MACSCRPT as soon as
> it is safe to download it from gaea. For the time being, try if you wish
> but we have had reports of FTP/binhex errors while downloading the file.
>

It seems that the archive is OK; Fred Terry has downloaded and unpacked
it OK. (If you have difficulty, we recommend FTPing it down with automatic
de-binhexing turned off, and then manually de-binhexing it afterwards.)

The file location on gaea is:

applescript/updates/ScriptWiz1.0->1.0.1x41.sea.hqx


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        || UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||   fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               || US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||   fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 10:25:03 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Setting memory sizes of apps??

>Can you safely reduce the default (?) memory allocation of 200K given to AS
>standalone apps? (Some of us have got less than 10MB RAM....)

The definite answer is "sometimes."  You can experiment reducing RAM and
putting the script through its hardest paces.  A lot depends on what your
variables might hold.  I've run into cases in which 200K was not enough.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 09:24:58 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: script wizard updater
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 09 Sep 94 14:01:28 BST"

Gang,

>I too had problems debinhexing the ScriptWizard updater file at the =
>MACSCRPT archives. Out of curiosity, I took a look inside the file and =
>noticed that the first couple lines were kind of screwed up. After editing =
>these lines, I was able to defunk the archive without problems.
>
>If you have problems, try going in with a text editor, moving the text =
>which begins "(this file must be converted..." to a newline, and deleting =
>the garbage above it. Eventually a new archive should be uploaded if there =
>really is a problem with the copy there.

Very puzzling. I was using Anarchie 1.3.1 to download it and I was letting it
do the auto-convert without any problems. Whatever the case, I've pulled down
the archive, made a change, and put the new version back in the Updates
directory.

Let me know if there are any other problems.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 08:10:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder question

> --Todd Main wrote:
> >
> >Newbie question: how do you tell the scriptable finder to launch
> >an application?  A one-liner would be best for my needs.
>
>     Why do you want to use the Scriptable Finder to do this? All you
> need to do is type: tell application "app name" to activate.
>     This works from AppleScript, and will launch any application you
> have on a mounted volume.
>
> -Hades

With at at least one exception that I know of. There is a bug in SITcomm that
prevents it from activating if it's splash screen would be completely hidden
by another window. I've had to work around this by selecting SITcomm and then
launching it using the Finder.

This is how I had to do it with SITcomm.

tell application "Finder"
   select alias "Calvin(I):AS  Utilities:SITcomm "
   open selection
end tell


Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 09:47:57 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Dowling <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Trapping user responses during copying?

AS folk,
We use a script that copies System Folder files, and I don't want users to
be able to intervene and stop the copying.  A finderLib command, like the
following, is used to copy files, and it presents to users a "Copy" dialog
box with a status bar and a "Stop" button.  Can attempts to stop the
copying be trapped so that copying continues without interruption?  Can the
Command-. (cancel) keystrokes be trapped too?

tell finderLib to copyFiles from "hd:imdc" to "hd:scratch:" without warning

Thanks,
Chris
~~~~
Chris Dowling, Manager, SOE Computer Lab,
1025 W. Johnson St., Madison, WI  53706, [phone]
[e-mail]
~~~~
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 08:53:49 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem running scripts on PowerMac 6100

>--Greg Francis wrote:
>>
>>Here's the chunk of script that just caused the -111 error.
>>
>>tell application "Finder"
>>  set folderName to "DTS Send Prefs"
>>  if folder folderName in preferences folder exists then   <-- problem here
>
>    I'm kind of surprised this line compiled correctly. The syntax is
>incorrect. It should read like this:
>
>        if exists folder folderName in preferences folder then
>
>    The exists command takes as it's argument a file/folder reference.
>The argument is supposed to come after the command.
>
>-Hades

Take a look at the Language Guide page 99.

referenceToObject exists
exists referenceToObject

Both forms are legal.

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 10:57:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Organization: Alta Group
Subject:      Cron and Chronograph

Folks,

As promised, you'll find these two applications on gaea. They both allow
you to execute scripts a predetermined times.

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/addons/Chronograph1.02.sit.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/addons/Cron1.0d16.sit.hqx

Chronograph is a shareware ($15) utility that checks once per minute to
see if anything is scheduled. Anything that can be double-clicked in the
Finder can be scheduled for execution. This has both 680x0 and PowerPC
versions.

Cron is Chris Johnson's (Gatekeeper) daemon. It also executes applications
at specificed times. It uses a crontab file to determine what needs to
execute.

Enjoy.

pf

--
Fred Terry     Alta Group of Cadence      [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:10:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem running scripts on PowerMac 6100

At 08:53 9/9/94 -0700, Kevin Purcell wrote:
>Take a look at the Language Guide page 99.
>
>referenceToObject exists
>exists referenceToObject
>
>Both forms are legal.

Hmmm...the "backwards" form isn't *entirely* limited to the exists command,
either.

For example, the following script successfully poses the expected dialog:

   "Test" display dialog

Is it generally true that the direct object may preceed the command name?
It might be:

   "Test" display dialog buttons {"OK"}

also does the expected thing, as does

   3 beep

Thanks, Kevin

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:10:07 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cron and Chronograph

>Folks,
>
>As promised, you'll find these two applications on gaea. They both allow
>you to execute scripts a predetermined times.
>
>ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/addons/Chronograph1.02.sit.hqx
>ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/addons/Cron1.0d16.sit.hqx
>
>Chronograph is a shareware ($15) utility that checks once per minute to
>see if anything is scheduled. Anything that can be double-clicked in the
>Finder can be scheduled for execution. This has both 680x0 and PowerPC
>versions.
>
>Cron is Chris Johnson's (Gatekeeper) daemon. It also executes applications
>at specificed times. It uses a crontab file to determine what needs to
>execute.
>

I have successfully downloaded these files but continue to have difficulty
downloading the ScriptWizard Update.  I have tried all suggestions posted
to the list, including your own, but to no avail.  Sorry to be such a pain
but is just doesn't work for me.

=====================================================================
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]     FAX: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 20:19:43 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [Q] writing an osax that calls script objects

Hello all,

I have a few questions regarding writing an osax:

- I'm trying to write one and would like to have a way of calling, from
within it, a script object or a handler defined by the calling script. Is
that possible? If so, how's it done?

- I have almost no documentation on writing osaxen; the only thing I have
is a doc by Donald Olson, dated December 27, 1992. Is there something more
up-to-date and free of charge? If not, what are the 'charged' options? In
particular, I have no idea whatsoever about how to write the 'aete'
resources. I've heard of a hypercard stack that helps in their editting,
but have no clue where to get it from.

Please reply directly to me ([e-mail]), since for some reason I
haven't been receiving the digests.

Thanks for any and all help.


Wagner Luiz Truppel                      [e-mail]

   *** I don't think. Therefore, I'm not sure I am. ***
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 12:05:26 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: script wizard updater

>Gang,
>
>>I too had problems debinhexing the ScriptWizard updater file at the =
>>MACSCRPT archives. Out of curiosity, I took a look inside the file and =
>>noticed that the first couple lines were kind of screwed up. After editing =
>>these lines, I was able to defunk the archive without problems.
>>
>>If you have problems, try going in with a text editor, moving the text =
>>which begins "(this file must be converted..." to a newline, and deleting =
>>the garbage above it. Eventually a new archive should be uploaded if there =
>>really is a problem with the copy there.
>
>Very puzzling. I was using Anarchie 1.3.1 to download it and I was letting it
>do the auto-convert without any problems. Whatever the case, I've pulled down
>the archive, made a change, and put the new version back in the Updates
>directory.
>
>Let me know if there are any other problems.
>
>pf

Same for me with Anarchie 1.2.1, no problems having it auto-convert or
doing the patch.

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:43:19 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Speaking Selection/Clipboard?

John G Dorsey <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have Script Tools, which allegedly can speak (using Speech Manager)
>input parameters. What would be the most efficient way to make a script
>that could speak some selected or copied text? The idea would be to make
>an applet, which I would launch from the Finder after selecting/copying
>the text.

If you also have Jon's Command Scripting Addition, this can be done. After you
select some text and copy it to the clipboard you can write a very simple script
or applet to read it back. Just type in the script line below:

speak (the clipboard as string)

If you save it as an applet, you can invoke it by double-clicking after copying
the text selection to the clipboard. I'd prefer to use OSA Menu and save this
script in the "Universal Scripts" Folder. This method would eliminate locating
the applet's icon underneath screen clutter.

Does anyone know how to copy a selection of text from a non-scriptable
application to the clipboard via applescript? They only way I can think of is,
maybe, to use the Menu Events extension. Since the Edit menu is always in the
same place for practically all Mac application, I would think that this should
work.

Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
AOL:        [e-mail]
eWorld:     [e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:03:05 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rob Dewhirst <[e-mail]>
Subject:      "Other" Cron sent to gaea.

When I saw version 1.0d16 of cron on gaea, I examined it to find if the
version I had was more recent.  It looks like there are at least two versions
of cron, one by Chris Johnson and one by Mark Malson (the one I have).  So
including Chronograph, there are three versions.

I sent the one I have to gaea, because I believe it is simpler and easier to
set up.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:26:04 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Dict. Error

REGARDING                Dict. Error
    We've set up a 4D server on a Macintosh in our zone.  Last night I ran the
"4D AppleScript" application on my own machine and was able to extract data from
the 4D server I pointed it to.
    This morning I launched the "4D AppleScript" program on the server, running
concurrently with with the 4D server.
    I went back to my desk and tried to link to it.  I was able to link to the
server Macintosh, but the error message "Can't open the application's
dictionary".

Thanks in advance--
Richard Petty
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:39:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ScriptWizard updater

Hello all,

We continue to have trouble with the ScriptWizard updater on gaea, so I'm
blowing it away. I've alerted Full Moon so they can send a replacement.

Sorry for all of the bother.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 16:25:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Other" Cron sent to gaea.
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 09 Sep 94 15:03:05 PDT"

Hi all,

Rob Dewhirst has placed yet another Cron on gaea. This one was written by Mark
Malson. You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/Cron1.0.0.sit.hqx

He thinks this one is simpler and easier to set up.

Have a good weekend.

pf
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 17:50:00 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was [e-mail]
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Speaking Selection/Clipboard?

[e-mail] wrote:

>Does anyone know how to copy a selection of text from a non-scriptable
>application to the clipboard via applescript? They only way I can think of is,
>maybe, to use the Menu Events extension. Since the Edit menu is always in the
>same place for practically all Mac application, I would think that this should
>work.

As author of Menu Events, I would advise that James Davis' AutoType OSAX
is probably better for this task.  You can tell it to "press" Command-C.
KeyQuencer would likely do the trick as well.

Ross Brown - AWOL Software Productions
PO Box 24207, 300 Eagleson Road, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2M 2C3
publisher of AWOL Utilities - "the best deal in freeware!"
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 22:14:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Scott S. Lawton" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker Pro & copying Text field.

>- AppleScript 1.1 and FileMaker Pro 2.1v1
>  this works fine for almost all situations EXCEPT
>  when the text field it is copying is a text field with
>  a carriage return/Line feed(CR). The Field that I
>  am copying into will only get the text up to the CR.

FileMaker uses a "vertical tab" to represent CR's in text fields, but
apparently it gets converted by the "get".

Are there any string commands (OSAXen) for AppleScript that will do a
replace?  In Frontier, you could:

verticalTab = char(19)  << I think it's 19, where's my chart...
string.replaceAll(tempString, cr, verticalTab)

Of course there is a slow way to do it directly in AppleScript: if
tempString contains verticalTab then loop thru each character....

cheers,

-- SSL, PreFab Software
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 22:14:39 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Scott S. Lawton" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Speaking Selection/Clipboard?

>>What would be the most efficient way to make a script
>>that could speak some selected or copied text?
>
>Does anyone know how to copy a selection of text from a non-scriptable
>application to the clipboard via applescript?

Player Runtime is only $25, and it would certainly suffice for simple
tasks, eithor/or:
   do menu menu item "Copy" of menu "Edit"
   type "c" holding command

Of course we think the full version is worthwhile for serious scripting of
non-scriptable apps.
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/PRs/PlayerInfo.sit.hqx

cheers,

-- SSL, PreFab Software
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 22:14:27 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Scott S. Lawton" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder question

>    Why do you want to use the Scriptable Finder to do this? All=
 you
>need to do is type: tell application "app name" to activate.
>    This works from AppleScript, and will launch any application=
 you
>have on a mounted volume.

Actually, any app that supports the 4 required events (I think that's=
 the
limitation ... or is it the "AE aware" bit set?).  The venerable=
 TeachText,
among others, doesn't.  (Yes, SimpleText does, but not everyone has=
 a new
machine or system software.)

Here's a little tidbit (included with Player) for those who don't=
 have the
Scriptable Finder:

   on tellFinderToOpen(path)
      ensureFileExists(path)  -- optional error checking
      set theParent to alias (parentFolder(path))
     =20
      tell application "Finder"
          -- the System 7.0 Finder is somewhat scriptable
          -- but lacks a dictionary
          =ABevent FNDRsope=BB theParent given =ABclass fsel=BB:{alias=
 (path as string)}
      end tell
   end tellFinderToOpen

ensureFileExists & parentfolder are left as an exercise to the reader
(though of course I'll be happy to supply them on request).

cheers,

-- SSL, PreFab Software ... who scripts non-scriptable apps now &=
 then :)
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 21:37:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>

subscribe MacScripting digest [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 21:37:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>

subscribe MacScripting digest Tim Walsh
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 21:39:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Couple scripting questions...

Sorry for the vague subject, but I couldn't come up with anything better...

1) is it possible to have a variable resolve to a record label?

This won't work:

set Fred to "Wilma"
set Barny to {Fred:85}
Barny

Result: {Fred:85}

I know a label shouldn't be a string ( I've even tried ("wilma" as
variable) or ("wilma" as label)
Bottom line is there a way to dynamically label records?

2) along the same lines, is there a way to 'compound' variable.  Again as in:

set List to {1,2,3}
repeat with i from 1 to (count of list)
set variable&i to i + 10
end repeat

I have found other ways of doing what I originally wanted to, but was
curious about approaches to these two problems.

3) The scriptable finder refuses to open a file more than once even if it
has been closed.  An example would be a script that opens a file, thats
all.  Close that file from within the app.  Run the same script again and I
get an error from the finder saying that the file is already open, though
it clearly isn't anymore.  The file passes the exists test as well??  Do I
have to ask the files respective app if it exists?  And what if the app
isn't scriptable...

Thanks for any help...

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 13:43:34 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [Q] Constants in AS?

Greetings,

is there a way to declare constants in AS, something like a CONST in Pascal
or a #define in C? I've been using property declarations for some nasty
hard-wired info scattered thru in some of my AS scripts, but I don't find
that solution very elegant.

Thanks.

Wagner Luiz Truppel                      [e-mail]

   *** I don't think. Therefore, I'm not sure I am. ***
___________________________________________________________
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 13:44:09 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [Q] Symantec 7's address

>Peter Speck wrote:

>Too add more to the list of tools: the 'Aete Editor b3' (I found it on
>Symantec 7) is a HyperCard stack. It is nice, as it is easy to navigate
>around, adding classes and events to the proper suite, etc.
>One hint is to make the card larger, and show the hidden fields. Especially
>in editing the properties of a class, I found this usefull.

I suppose Symantec 7 is some file server, but what's its address and can
one ftp anonymously to it?

Thanks.

Wagner Luiz Truppel                      [e-mail]

   *** I don't think. Therefore, I'm not sure I am. ***
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 13:44:35 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [Q] AE User Terminology Res Dev Note ?

Greetings,

the Apple Event Registry mentions a document by the name 'Apple Event User
Terminology Resources Developer Note'. Could someone tell me where I can
find this document, if it's still up-to-date? I need to find some
information on writing 'aete' resources.

Thanks!

Wagner Luiz Truppel                      [e-mail]

   *** I don't think. Therefore, I'm not sure I am. ***
___________________________________________________________
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 08:35:36 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Terry Thiel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: POLLS CLOSE TOMORROW
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

We need a newsgroup
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 17:21:51 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Sin Chuek Ming, Desmond" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      gaea mirror site

Hi,

Is there a mirror site for gaea? Trying to access gaea through my SLIP
account from Hong Kong, it takes forever just to get a directory listing.

Thanks.


-Des

--
Desmond Sin                    |Internet: [e-mail]
Precision Marketing Ltd.       |[phone] voice
Hong Kong                      |[phone] fax
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 13:31:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Aiken <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New File Tracker version announcement

Hi, all...

    This message is a little late, so please forgive me if it's a little
out of synch with Fred's notice of the file posting some time ago. This is
just an announcement of the newest version of File Tracker, now on Gaea,
Sumex, etc.

-- (Begin announcement)

File Tracker: a file/folder watching utility

    File Tracker v1.5 is a major upgrade to File Tracker v1.0
and is recommended to all users. This package should REPLACE the
older v1.0 package on archives. The upgrade is free to
registered users; write to the author for more information.

    File Tracker is a utility package that "Watches" files or
folders on your hard drive, or on other people's hard drives
over a network. File Tracker is unique in that it can detect
exactly what happened when a watched folder or file changes.
It can detect seperately, for example, files arriving in a
folder or files being renamed, and perform actions on the
files involved. A wide range of events are recognized.

    File Tracker offers a large library of built-in, pre-fab
actions that it can take in response to events, but also ties
in closely with AppleScript so you can write your own responses.
Example scripts and a few scripting additions are provided.

    File Tracker is ShareWare $15US/$20Cnd, but is fully
functional "out of the box" and includes a full manual. It has
been extensively beta-tested and is compatible with all Mac
models. FILE TRACKER REQUIRES SYSTEM 7 OR BETTER.

    For a copy of the package, or more information, write to
the author at the address below.

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| Mark A. Aiken                                           [e-mail] |
| Mac wizard and shareware author                         "No Hablo Intel"   |
| Dept. of EE, McGill University, Montreal, CANADA                           |
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 17:00:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Timer items?????

In the August Macscript digest somebody asked....................
 In the early betas of AS, there was a folder you could put in your
system folder called something like "Timer Items" or something like
that and each of the items you wanted run at a specific time would be
renamed to that time... so the file would be "[harddisk]:System
Folder:Timer Items:5:00 PM" and it would run at 5pm.  Did this get
dropped from the final?
  Before I saw this I was going to ask if it was possible to name a file a
time and date, ie. (5:00pm 9/11/94), and have an application or a script
that would run in the background and scan the files, calling up a file
whenever it's name matches the time. This item in august digest question
sounds like it would do this. But...........
   Nobody answered, does anybody know if this exists? It would be very
useful (at least to me), If anybody knows of it's existance or have any
knowledge of it,   Or if you can think of another way to do this. I know
about Chron, but it's just not the same.I would appreciate any
info.Thanx.........KingShit
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 16:06:14 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Phil Corchary <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript newbie question

I'm new to AppleScript, and a new subscriber to this list, so bear with me ..

Question one ... is there a FAQ for a) this list, b) AppleScript.
Question two ... I'm writing a script that uses Anarchie to ftp a file,
 then copy it to an AppleShare server. I have two questions in regard to this.
 First, how would you recommend changing the file type and creator of the
 file? Is there an Add-On for that? Is there a good scriptable application
 that can do this (FileBuddy, Resedit and Bunchtyper all of which I use
 aren't scriptable). The second part of this is, I'm using the MountVol
 Add-On to mount the fileserver - but how do I UNmount it? Or is there
 a better way in general to do this? Maybe a way to copy the file w/o
 mounting the server? P

 Thanks in advance! philc
 (please reply in e-mail as well as to the list ... thx)
--
Phil Corchary / Network Specialist / U S WEST MRG, Inc.
[e-mail] / AppleLink=PCORCHARY / eWorld=philc
All statements and opinions are mine, and not my employer's
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 17:45:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      applescript gopher site

   I know this is probably old news ("nobody tells me nothing") but this is
a good applescript gophersite. Probably S.O.S but
W.T.F................KingShit
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 17:47:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      oops  RE:gopher site

Oops kinda forgot 1 little detail the gophersite  hehe
gopher://comics.scs.unr.edu:8112/7%20?applescript
............KingShit
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Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:03:32 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptWizard 1.0.1x41 updater

Is the updater to ScriptWizard available on AOL?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 17:43:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Timer items?????

>  Before I saw this I was going to ask if it was possible to name a file a
>time and date, ie. (5:00pm 9/11/94), and have an application or a script
>that would run in the background and scan the files, calling up a file
>whenever it's name matches the time. This item in august digest question
>sounds like it would do this. But...........
>   Nobody answered, does anybody know if this exists? It would be very
>useful (at least to me), If anybody knows of it's existance or have any
>knowledge of it,   Or if you can think of another way to do this.

First, you can't have a colon ":" in the file name. Not allowed.
You could use something like "5.00pm 9/11/94".

It would be easy to have a script run and repeatedly check the time and
filenames, but this would tie up processor power and you wouldn't be able
to do much else with your computer while it was running. If you use an
idle..end idle handler with a idle time of, say, 1 minute, it frees up the
processor for a minute between each checking process. This would be better.


What's wrong with cron? This is exactly what cron was intended for. There
are a couple different versions of Cron in net land, I use the one by Chris
Johnson.

-Dave

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 David Ray                Dream Designs          Music Composition
 [e-mail]         PO Box 5631            Interactive Multimedia
 510-527-9010             Berkeley CA 94705      Virtual Worlds
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 10 Sep 1994 23:39:18 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      driver for print to disk?

I have fax software that will autoprint incoming faxes. I would like to
save incoming faxes to disk in a TIFF format. I can use FolderWatcher to
note when new files appear and then I can process them with other
AppleScript applications.

Anyone know of a printer driver that saves to disk as TIFF? Actually I
suppose I could use any file format that is common and I could convert it
to a format readable by OCR but I assume TIFF is probably best.

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 08:21:12 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Timer items?????

At first glance, of this post, I'd suggest that the poster get his hands on a
copy of Danny Goodman's book, the Complete AppleScript Handbook.  It has an
example of how to do what you seem to be after.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 08:21:33 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Accessing Repeating Fields in FileMaker Pro

Is there a way to move between cells in repeating field repetitions using
AppleScript calls?

I am working on a script to facilitate the reorganization of data held in
repeating fields in one record.

The concept is this...

[1]  Import the data in the record from one file into another, identical
file, as separate records.

[2]  Sort the records in the second data file.

[3]  Go to a layout in each data file that has just the repeating fields in
it.  In the original that has the one record in it with all the repetitions
of the repeating fields in it and just the one record found.

[4]  Get data from the cells in the separated field file.

[5]  Set data to the cells in the continguous field file.


Seems fairly simple.

Here's the script...

tell application "FileMaker Pro"

 set inCount to 1 -- cell we're dealing with in the contiguous field data
file
 set cellCount to 1 -- cell we're dealing with in the separated field data
file

 set listRecords to Document "Repeat Test Convert" -- Separated field data
file
 set inRecords to Document "Repeat Test" -- Contiguous field data file

 set recordCount to (Count of Records of listRecords) -- Number of records in
the separated field data file being dealt with

 activate -- to watch what's happening
 Show inRecords

 repeat with i from 1 to recordCount  -- Identify the record in the separated
field data file

  repeat with cellCount from 1 to 3 -- identify the cell in the separated
field data file
   Get Data Cell cellCount of Record i of listRecords  -- Get the data from
the separated field data file
   Set Data Cell inCount of inRecords To result  -- Set the data in the
contiguous field data file cell
  set inCount to inCount + 1 -- increment to the next field in the contiguous
field data file
  end repeat
 end repeat

end tell

The problem is that when I try to get to the second row/repetition of the
repeating fields in the contiguous field data file I can't find the "object"
that is the first cell of the second row/repetition.

Is there a special way of addressing repeating fields that facilitates such a
Get/Set Data call?

If so, what is it?
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 08:21:42 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Accessing a Disconnected Server

Where I am at, there is a nightly requirement to back up all the data files
to a central server so that the Novell Administrator can save all the key
files to tape.

Occasionally, the connection to this server is disconnected after everyone
goes home and before the backup is suppoesd to take place.

I know how to check for whether the connection is there, "list disk".

However, I don't know how to re-establish the connection, which includes a
password, to save my FileMaker Pro data files.

What is the call?  If any.  I'm using System 7.1 software.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 07:04:00 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Main <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing a Disconnected Server

[stuff deleted]
>Occasionally, the connection to this server is disconnected after everyone
>goes home and before the backup is suppoesd to take place.
>
>I know how to check for whether the connection is there, "list disk".
>
>However, I don't know how to re-establish the connection, which includes a
>password, to save my FileMaker Pro data files.
>
>What is the call?  If any.  I'm using System 7.1 software.

Anyone know if System 7.5 would do this with the PowerTalk tools?  Seems
like that's supposed to provide a universal interface with appletalk
servers, with one password.  You "log in" to PowerTalk, then you don't
have to provide passwords for individual servers.  Anyone out there
tried this?

todd
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 10:58:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript newbie question

At 16:06 9/10/94 -0700, Phil Corchary wrote:

>Question two ... I'm writing a script that uses Anarchie to ftp a file,
> then copy it to an AppleShare server. I have two questions in regard to this.
> First, how would you recommend changing the file type and creator of the
> file?

The Scriptable Finder (System 7.5, or $25 from APDA) allows you to change
the "creator type" and "file type" properties of a file object.  There are
many Scripting Addition addons for the archaic Finder, but I no longer
care, so can't point you to them.

 The second part of this is, I'm using the MountVol
> Add-On to mount the fileserver - but how do I UNmount it? Or is there
> a better way in general to do this? Maybe a way to copy the file w/o
> mounting the server? P


With Scriptable Finder, you use something like

tell application Finder
    put away disk "whatever"
end tell

[But this should be avoided for local volumes.]

With the archiac Finder, you should be able to do
tell application Finder
    put away alias "HD:" items {alias "HD:"}
end tell

or something like that...check the Finder dictionary entry for the put away
command...I would have to restart without the Finder Scripting Extension to
check out the AppleScript syntax.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 15:10:59 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Perry Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Quicken

Does anyone know if Quicken is "scritable"?  I guess a more general
question is what is a simple way to find out if a particular application is
Apple Script Savy?

Thanks,

pedz
[e-mail]
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 22:16:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting the scriptable Finder

1) Does anyone have a handy list of all the OSAX from the "old" Finder that
have become archaic with the scriptable finder? I've got so many OSAX with
multiple commands in them that checking them all manually would take a long
time. If no one's got a list, I'll put one together as I slog through the
task, but I thought I'd save myself some time.

2) Is the Addison-Wesley book on Finder Scripting up-to-date? That is, was
it written for the Scriptable Finder or for the old one?

3) Is Inside Macintosh: Inter-Application Communications (ugh!) the only
place I can get information on calling Apple Events from within scripts?
I'm thinking in particular of the Eudroa Notify Controller script, which
informs Eudora to send a particular Apple Event to an application of your
choice. On the same topic, I've tried using it with Eudora
Announcer...whether I choose "Notification On" or "Off", I always get the
error dialog, as if it paid no attention to me, though Eudora _does_ launch
the Announcer when it check the mail, but the Announcer never seems to
receive the "<<event CSOmeNot>>" call, and fails to procede. Nothing is
ever read to me, and a trap "return "Hello"" that I threw into the
announcer right after the handler is triggered never gets returned. Is
there some way I can check to see if Eudora Announcer is, in fact,
receiving a "CSOmeNot"? Has anyone else gotten this to work?

4) On a similar subject, I have learned a bit of a trick. If you have the
French (or probably other) dialect installed, and you switch to French in
the formatting menu, you can see the actual AppleEvent commands that are
being sent by many of the OSAX. I guess some of the OSAXen translations
aren't set, so AppleScript defaults to displaying the raw AE command.

Cheers in advance,
spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
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mangez du chocolat / lavez votre cerveau / dada / dada / buvez de l'eau
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 22:15:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: gaea mirror site
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat, 10 Sep 94 17:21:51 +0700"

Desmond Sin asked....

>Is there a mirror site for gaea? Trying to access gaea through my SLIP
>account from Hong Kong, it takes forever just to get a directory listing.

Not to my knowledge.

pf
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 22:24:39 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptWizard 1.0.1x41 updater
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat, 10 Sep 94 20:03:32 EDT"

Charles Pelto asked...

>Is the updater to ScriptWizard available on AOL?

Yes, I think it is in the MacUtilities section.

pf
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:28:45 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: oops  RE:gopher site

>Oops kinda forgot 1 little detail the gophersite  hehe
>gopher://comics.scs.unr.edu:8112/7%20?applescript
>.............KingShit

I got a LONG listing, including the AppleScript 1.1 extension - I thought
it was commercial software??

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 08:24:08 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Central Postmaster <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Mail Delivery Status

 ***** Error in Mail Delivery *****

ROUTING ERROR

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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 21:21:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting the scriptable Finder

>2) Is the Addison-Wesley book on Finder Scripting up-to-date? That is, was
>it written for the Scriptable Finder or for the old one?

The "AppleScript Finder Guide English Dialect" is intended to be up to
date, and to describe the Scriptable Finder as it exists today--that is,
the script
tell application "Finder"
    version
end tell

returns "1.2"

which is the version of the Finder Scripting Extension (with a note in the
book that in subsequent versions, the rather more useful Finder version
will be returned instead).  There are a couple of other instances in which
futures are mentioned (such as the fact that "Finder" is not in the list of
running processes).

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Sun, 11 Sep 1994 23:30:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Bryan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing a Disconnected Server

>Anyone know if System 7.5 would do this with the PowerTalk tools?  Seems
>like that's supposed to provide a universal interface with appletalk
>servers, with one password.  You "log in" to PowerTalk, then you don't
>have to provide passwords for individual servers.  Anyone out there
>tried this?
>
>todd

Sure, the feature works fine. In fact it is a feature of PowerTalk that
pre-dates System 7.5 so you aren't dependent on the new system for this.
You just need to install PowerTalk and add the Novell server to your key
chain. Of course the down side is that eventually you'll forget your
various passwords.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Bryan                Internet: [e-mail]
Sexton Software          CompuServe: 76545,527
Minneapolis, MN 55415           Fax: [phone]
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 00:26:02 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting the scriptable Finder

>I've tried using it with Eudora
>Announcer...whether I choose "Notification On" or "Off", I always get the
>error dialog, as if it paid no attention to me, though Eudora _does_ launch
>the Announcer when it check the mail, but the Announcer never seems to
>receive the "<<event CSOmeNot>>" call, and fails to procede. Nothing is
>ever read to me, and a trap "return "Hello"" that I threw into the
>announcer right after the handler is triggered never gets returned. Is
>there some way I can check to see if Eudora Announcer is, in fact,
>receiving a "CSOmeNot"? Has anyone else gotten this to work?

I get it to work, but can't get Eudora not to notify the announcer, I've
added 'please notify ""' in a on quit handler to the announcer but still
Eudora notifys the Announcer.
I'm a bit confused about the difference between the Eudora command "please
notify" and the notify osax?? could somebody fill me in.

A little trick I put to use this weekend was to use the Script Tools
"speech" osax for debugging.  Instead of dialog boxes the script tells me
what it is doing (even things like telling me when one subroutine ends
etc).  I found it very useful to follow what was going on hidden from view!

-Preston

--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 07:25:15 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Couple scripting questions...

>Sorry for the vague subject, but I couldn't come up with anything better...
>
>1) is it possible to have a variable resolve to a record label?
>
>This won't work:
>
>set Fred to "Wilma"
>set Barny to {Fred:85}
>Barny
>
>Result: {Fred:85}

You can use our new friend "run script"
set Fred to "Wilma"
set Barny to run script "{" & Fred & ":85}"
Barny

Result: {wilma:85}

>2) along the same lines, is there a way to 'compound' variable.  Again as in:

No, you should use a list for this.

set variableList to {}
set aList to {1,2,3}
repeat with i from 1 to (count of aList)
        set end of variableList to {i, i + 10}
end repeat

variableList

Result: {{1, 11}, {2, 12}, {3, 13}}

>3) The scriptable finder refuses to open a file more than once even if it
I'm not sure what you mean here... Can you post or send a code fragment?


- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 06:22:45 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andrew T. Johnston" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE>>Accessing a Disconnected Server

Hi,

>[stuff deleted]
>>Occasionally, the connection to this server is disconnected after everyone
>>goes home and before the backup is suppoesd to take place.
>>
>>I know how to check for whether the connection is there, "list disk".
>>
>>However, I don't know how to re-establish the connection, which includes a
>>password, to save my FileMaker Pro data files.
>>
>>What is the call?  If any.  I'm using System 7.1 software.

>Anyone know if System 7.5 would do this with the PowerTalk tools?
[snip]
>Anyone out there tried this?

Yes, indeed. I've been doing this since PowerTalk was introduced in System
7 Pro.

Sign on to the remote volume in question. Make an alias. Unmount the volume.
Open the alias file, and answer "Yes" to the dialog that asks about adding
the service to your key chain. Keep the alias file in a known local folder.
With the scriptable Finder, the following script will do what you ask, as
long as your PowerTalk key chain is unlocked.

property remoteVolumeAlias : alias "Local HD:Known Folder:Remote Volume alias"

tell application "Finder" -- the scriptable one
   get original item of alias file remoteVolumeAlias
end tell


Hopefully helpful,
  Andrew
------------------
Andrew T. Johnston
Apple Canada, Inc.
[e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 06:55:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kirk Stork <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: oops  RE:gopher site

>>Oops kinda forgot 1 little detail the gophersite  hehe
>>gopher://comics.scs.unr.edu:8112/7%20?applescript
>>.............KingShit
>
>I got a LONG listing, including the AppleScript 1.1 extension - I thought
>it was commercial software??
>

Anyone else getting a connection refused at this site?  I've tried
different times, Gopher and MacWeb...no luck.

   Kirk Stork
[e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 9 Sep 1994 18:21:19 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning apple script

Tao was the first commercially available book.
And I was happy to have baught it.
The begining was very clear: I loved it.
After that, became hacking, wich is ok, but
one can do a lot 'normal' things with AS,
without hacking first.

I would like to buy the second too, but:
what is new in it?

I have all books that I found on HyperCard too.
You always learn something, from each.
The problem is it ok for begining or not, that
is difficult to say to someone who had already
read all apple's literature before...

Anyone writing something explaining about applescript
objects? I have lots of exemples if needed.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:08:54 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: oops RE:gopher site
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:28:45 +1100"

Owen Watson commented.....
>>Oops kinda forgot 1 little detail the gophersite  hehe
>>gopher://comics.scs.unr.edu:8112/7%20?applescript
>
>I got a LONG listing, including the AppleScript 1.1 extension - I thought
>it was commercial software??

It is, but a quick perusal of the listing will show you that it contains a
number of MacHTTP scripts. At one point, MacHTTP's author was talking about
licensing AppleScript for distribution with his program. That may have
happened.

There are a lot of interesting tidbits on this gopher. I can't tell if the
discussions are from the MacHTTP mailing list or AppleLink.

pf
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:14:25 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing Repeating Fields in FileMaker Pro

>The problem is that when I try to get to the second row/repetition of the
>repeating fields in the contiguous field data file I can't find the "object"
>that is the first cell of the second row/repetition.
>
>Is there a special way of addressing repeating fields that facilitates such a
>Get/Set Data call?
>
>If so, what is it?

Filemaker seems to treat repeating fields as one object.  If you 'Get Cell
"X"' and cell x is a repeating field, filemaker will return all the values
of the repeating fields to applescript as a list.  This is why applescript
is a saviour for dealing with repeating fields. Since filemaker has few
mechanisms for accessing repeating field data, applescript comes to the
rescue by allowing you to grab the contents of a repeating field,
manipulate it and stuff it back in (or into another database).
Caveats:

1. Older versions of Filemaker Pro 2.1 would repeat values stuffed into
repeating fields via applescript ie. repeating field with ten iteration -
you stuff in two values - those values repeat across all 10 iterations.
Fix: stuff your applescript list with null "" string for all null values.

2.  I've had ongoing crashing problems stuffing information into repeating
fields.  I have tried several computers and different version of FM and get
similar problems.  I have notified Claris but have not heard back from
them.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hosptial For Sick Children
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:58:26 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Forms & Eudora

Has anyone done any forms work that involves linking Eudora with a
database? Or is the feeling that Eudora is not suitable?

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:55:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: oops  RE:gopher site

>Anyone else getting a connection refused at this site?  I've tried
>different times, Gopher and MacWeb...no luck.
>
>   Kirk Stork
>[e-mail]


I cant get connected either.


Frank C.
R&E
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:59:43 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Couple scripting questions...

>>3) The scriptable finder refuses to open a file more than once even if it
>I'm not sure what you mean here... Can you post or send a code fragment?

Well I'm not sure what I was doing, I think my problem was:

tell application "Finder"
        open file ((choose file with prompt "choose") as string)
end tell

which doesn't work and when run twice gets the "already open error"

the solution was to use the syntax:

        open file (choose file with prompt "choose")

no problems,


Thanks for the help with the other Q's

-Preston

--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 10:00:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Docker: a Script for Duo/DuoDock users

I spent much of this weekend writing my first script of any real use (just
finished 'the handbook', proof that AS has power for the novice).

Docker keeps track of icons for the builtin screen and a dock screen.
I just put it in the Inocming directory on gaea and it should be in the
scripts directory sometime soon (Thanks Fred!).
"Docker.as.sit.hqx"

    I would love people to give it a try before I make a general
announcement to the powerbook Newsgroup.  As a new scripter I tried to make
it readable to other new scriptors (because I learned so much by reading
other's scripts).  More detailed info can be found in the README, below is
the introduction:


What is the Docker script?

     Like many people I have grown to love the Duo/DuoDock system.  A full
fledged desktop combined with one of the most portable portables.  Also
like most Mac users I have a bit more than the "Trash" and disk(s) on my
desktop ;-)   but the Duo does not recognize what the dimensions of the
screen are when in or out of a dock.  The excellent shareware program
"Dockernaut" by Steve Martin ([e-mail]) can control much of the
behavior of Duos by keeping separate preference files for each docking
state, but   the "Finder" preferences only hold the location of the "Trash"
icon, everything else gets shoved around by the changing screen sizes.
That's why I wrote this little script.  Docker keeps track of your favorite
icon placement for two different screen sizes.


-Preston

--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:20:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Docker: a Script for Duo/DuoDock users
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:00:05 -0900"

>Docker keeps track of icons for the builtin screen and a dock screen.
>I just put it in the Inocming directory on gaea and it should be in the
>scripts directory sometime soon (Thanks Fred!).
>"Docker.as.sit.hqx"

You'll find Preston's script at

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/Docker.as.sit.hqx

Have fun.

pf
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:00:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Forms & Eudora

>Has anyone done any forms work that involves linking Eudora with a
>database? Or is the feeling that Eudora is not suitable?

I've been building a mailed forms processor to database kinda thing and
I've found Eudora to be the only mail package that seems to work as
advertised. So, I'd say that Eudora is suited for this kind of application.

Mine is a HyperCard front end, driving Eudora, talking to a Butler DAL
database via the DataScript translator (AppleScript to DAL). Seems to work
quite well.

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:34:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Glenn Massarano <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing a Disconnected Server
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

> Where I am at, there is a nightly requirement to back up all the data files
> to a central server so that the Novell Administrator can save all the key
> files to tape.
>
> Occasionally, the connection to this server is disconnected after everyone
> goes home and before the backup is suppoesd to take place.
>
> I know how to check for whether the connection is there, "list disk".
> > However, I don't know how to re-establish the connection, which includes a
> password, to save my FileMaker Pro data files.
>
> What is the call?  If any.  I'm using System 7.1 software.
>

i believe there is a "MountVol" scripting addition that will do this.  i
have been using this to mount a server volume with a password over appletalk
and system 7.1.

-------------------
glenn massarano
[e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 09:05:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting the scriptable Finder

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:

>tell application "Finder"
>    version
>end tell
>
>returns "1.2"

My copy returns "1.1".

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 21:51:38 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New version of Easy View on gaea

By now the version of Easy View on gaea should have been updated from v2.44
to v2.50. Easy View by Akif Eyler is a setext reader for tidbits, info-mac
digest etc and I find it very useful.

This new version makes the following changes, taken from user manual:

>EV 2.5  August 94
>* An extension menu is added for using external code segments
>  (Compatible with BBEdit)
>* Font and Size menus are made hierarchical
>* Cancel key does not crash after "Do you want to save?" dialog

The new versions include support for the speech manager, word count and
fetching an URL. Keyboard shortcuts can be added to any extension.

>This program can be distributed freely on any medium, for non-commercial
>>purposes, along with the enclosed documents. It may not be sold or
>exchanged >for profit.

You should be able to find the new version at:
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:/applescript/addons/easy-view-250.hqx

Happy scripting, Neil.

Neil Christie, 15   |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 09:35:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Couple scripting questions...

Preston Holmes <[e-mail]> writes:

>tell application "Finder"
>        open file ((choose file with prompt "choose") as string)
>end tell
>
>which doesn't work and when run twice gets the "already open error"

I copied and pasted that script into a Script Editor window, and it worked
just fine. I chose an MPW Shell text file, and it opened in MPW.

Thought: do you recall exactly which application gave you the "already open"
error? My hunch is, it's not the Finder, but the application that was
trying to open the file you chose.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:15:05 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New version of Anarchie on gaea

I have put Anarchie 1.3.1 into incoming on gaea so it should turn up in
scriptableapps soon. It adds a guide file for system 7.5 and a few other
bits and pieces. Full docs are included. It is a binhexed stuff-it archive.

Anarchie is a full scriptable and recordable ftp program. It costs $10 and
is shareware and by Peter N Lewis.

I downloaded it from:
ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/computing/systems/mac/umich/util/comm/anarchie1.31.s
it.hqx.gz

Hope you like it, Neil.

Neil Christie, 15   |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:28:52 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script examples for BBEdit 3.0?

Friends:

   Here is my SECOND BBEdit AppleScript, and this one actually does
something useful :-). Regards to the kind assistance of Sean Elfstrom
<[e-mail]>, whose "Fix Headers in AOL" script I boldly
plagerized. This is an applet which opens one or more MACSCRIPT Digest,
finds the date of the first entry, then copies that date line to the first
line of the file. This is useful when viewing the Digest using EasyView,
which doesn't show the header text before the first date (by the way,
EasyView would be a strong candidate for scripting). It's pretty cool that
it even works:

-----(included script)-----

on open (fileList)
        repeat with sourceFile in fileList
                tell application "BBEdit 3.0"
                        activate
                        open sourceFile as alias
                        tell front window
                                Find "Date: "
                                Select Current Line
                                set theHeaders to Selected Text
                                Go To Line 0
                                Insert Text "--------------------" & return
                                Insert Text theHeaders
                                Close with saving
                        end tell
                end tell
        end repeat
        tell application "BBEdit 3.0" to quit
end open

   Some questions still plague me, though. For instance, BBEdit has two
commands, "Select Current Line" and "Select Full Lines" -- are they
identical? Further, it seems impossible to select more than one line at a
time, unless they contain contiguous lines of text, wherein it is
considered a paragraph ("Select Paragraph"). What gives?

   Clint


   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
   Howard Hughes Medical Institute | [e-mail]
   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
   Princeton, NJ 08544-1014        | 609/258-1704 (FAX)
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 18:21:30 -0300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Hutten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Getting FileMaker Pro to find....

Sorry for the mega-newbie question, but.....


How the heck do I get FileMaker Pro to find things? I want to do something like

set foo to field "bar" where field "foo" = "newbie"


and the above don't work.......also, how can I tell if I didnt find
anything, or if I found more than one match?




thanx in advance

- bill


| Bill Hutten - [e-mail]
| 6411 Cloverdale Rd. Halifax, NS Canada B3L 2N6   [phone]
|     "Hard to love, when you're bracing for impact." - Martin Amis
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:31:00 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: oops  RE:gopher site

>>>Oops kinda forgot 1 little detail the gophersite  hehe
>>>gopher://comics.scs.unr.edu:8112/7%20?applescript
>>>.............KingShit


>Anyone else getting a connection refused at this site?  I've tried
>different times, Gopher and MacWeb...no luck.
 Kirk Stork
[e-mail]


I think you can still sneak into this site by using a veronica gopher
search @ the url  gopher://comics.scs.unr.edu:8112/7%20 and typing in
"applescript".
There is also  gopher://userserve.ucsd.edu/11ftp%3aPublic%3aAppleScript%3a
 so there............................KingShit
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 18:54:07 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing Repeating Fields in FileMaker Pro

I pursued the advice offered about dealing with repeating fields in FileMaker
Pro...

....and yes they are treated like LISTs.

However, as with the caveats, there are some problems....


Even the most recent version of FMP, 2.1v3, suffers from the problem of
repetative implanting.  Alex!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!!

Haven't encountered the crashing problem mentioned just yet.

More to follow....
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:53:52 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Data to Mail Question***

Can anyone help with this question someone has asked me?

Thanks
============
My company used to have its telephone extension list in Microsoft Word and
Excel formats (it was 4 seperate documents), then would QuickMail them to our
users and they would have to print it out.  I felt this was both financially
and time wasteful, so I worked up a solution...  I started my first
AppleScript.  I am using FileMaker Pro (2.1v3), AppleScript (1.1), Scriptable
Text Editor (1.1), ResEdit 2.1.3 and Display DA 2.1.

I have FileMaker do all the text formatting then I have a script that exports
final info to a text file, that's when AppleScript takes over and formats the
font and size and moves the text files into stationary pad files.

I manually have to copy and paste the text into Display DA using ResEdit
2.1.3.  I would like to automate this too or find some other solution.
 Anysuggestions?

All of our Macs are running System 7.0.1, 7.1, or 7.1.1 with the AppleScript
components to run (not create) scripts.  I do not want to have to purchase
any programs (on the user end) to do this.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:55:00 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      copy files for backup

Any suggestions??

Thanks
======
      using finderLib it was

tell finderLib

    copyFiles "MyServer:Desktop Folder:" to alias
"MainServer:GROUPS:SHARED:Desktop Folder:"
end tell


You see, if the MainServer, selected via EtherNet isn't on
MyServer/computer's desktop, I'm dead in the water.  The backup, scheduled
for between 7 pm and 12 am, when the Novell Administrator does their backup
to tape for off-site storage, I'm gone and the backup has failed.

How do I check if the access is open and if not, how do I open it.  Note:  It
requires a password.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:56:05 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: RE>>Accessing a Disconnected Server

I have a similar need to transfer files to a remote server. If the server is
on the desktop, using an alias of the server works fine. However, if the
server is not on a desktop, a prompt appears requiring the password. Is there
any way to provide the password with AppleScript?

Thanks,

-MJL
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Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:17:41 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting FileMaker Pro to find....
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Bill Hutten" at Sep 12, 94 06:21:30 pm

--Bill Hutten wrote:
>
>How the heck do I get FileMaker Pro to find things? I want to do something like
>
>set foo to field "bar" where field "foo" = "newbie"

    Open the FM Pro dictionary with the Script Editor and take a look at
the Show command. This is the one that performs a find. It's intent is
to "show" all records matching the request you give it. For instance,
you particular request would look something like this:

        Show every record (whose cell "foo" is equal to "newbie")

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 17:33:29 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Search & replace

I'm trying to do a search & replace on an AS variable. Is there an osax
that will do it, or do I have to code it up using offsets (probably slower,
as well).

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 00:06:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: oops  RE:gopher site

>There is also  gopher://userserve.ucsd.edu/11ftp%3aPublic%3aAppleScript%3a
> so there............................KingShit

Since I'm from UCSD I would just want people to know the following from
their README:

 "Users accessing the server via internet Gopher are asked to be gentle
with our little mac here. This is not a major interenet FTP site, but
rather a system for the UCSD community."

I'm sure this doesn't matter for the applescript stuff but think twice
before batch downloading all the picture or sound files ;-).

PS I have no connection with the above site.

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 00:10:28 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Tip of the Week - Paste Reference

I hadn't noticed the Script Editor 1.1 feature "Paste Reference" before
today.  I don't really use the Edit menu much anymore, so I just hadn't
noticed it.  So, when someone asked me about it, I had an "Ah ha!"
experience.  I had seen some time ago (probably while developing my
"clipboard info" osax) that the Scriptable Finder puts an object reference
"obj " data type on the clipboard when you copy stuff.  This is in addition
to the TEXT name data that you normally use.  So, since your paste command
uses the name of the item in your script, you need a paste reference
command to get the object specifier.  There doesn't appear to be a command
key for this, so I QuicKeyed Control-V to it.

Now you can click on a file in the Scriptable Finder, copy it, switch to
the Script Editor and paste an object specifier referencing it into your
script.  Pretty darn simple.

The only trick I see is that it helps to have already compiled something
with the Finder's dictionary already.  Otherwise you get the old << >>
notation.

I'll be implementing this in my programs from now on.  I just wish I'd
noticed it earlier.

Jon
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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 00:26:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Error in Docker requirements

Not that most of you couldn't figure it out but want to clarify a mistake:

Jon's commands, while excellent, is not required for Docker.  While Mark
Alldritt's List Screens (from Script Tools) is.

This blunder will be fixed in the next version (which will also try to fix
other script bugs).

sorry...

Preston

--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 08:16:08 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lee Hoong <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing Repeating Fields in FileMaker Pro

>I pursued the advice offered about dealing with repeating fields in FileMaker
>Pro...
>
>....and yes they are treated like LISTs.
>
>However, as with the caveats, there are some problems....
>
>
>Even the most recent version of FMP, 2.1v3, suffers from the problem of
>repetative implanting.  Alex!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!!
>
>Haven't encountered the crashing problem mentioned just yet.
>
>More to follow....

Charles,

Repeating field values in FMP are separated by vertical tab (ASCII 29)
characters.  Your script will have to set/get the individual values with
this in mind.  I usually like to take advantage of AppleScript's text item
delimiter property to help manipulate repeating field values.  For example,

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
        copy the Current Record of Database 1 to CurrRec
        copy cellValue of Cell "MyRepeat" to RepeatValues
        set item 2 of RepeatValues to "2"
        copy AppleScript's text item delimiters to OldDelim
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ASCII character 29
        copy RepeatValues as string to NewValues
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to OldDelim
        set cellValue of Cell "MyRepeat" of CurrRec to NewValues
end tell

In the above script, if the field "MyRepeat" initially contains 3 repeating
values (one, two, three), the second repeat will be changed from "two" to
"2."

IMPORTANT NOTE:  Be careful when changing AppleScript's text item
delimiters--this will affedt all your scripts globally.  I always save the
old/default delimiters to a variable then restore when the manipulations
are done.  To be even safer, you can embed the change within a try-on error
routine so that the text item delimiters are restored when something goes
wrong.

Lee.

Lee Hoong
Dept. of Chemistry
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
Internet: [e-mail]
AOL: LHOONG

Opinions expressed are solely mine; I do not represent Emory University.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 08:53:14 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Abner Dumoff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quicken
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 11 Sep 1994, Perry Smith wrote:

> Does anyone know if Quicken is "scritable"?  I guess a more general
> question is what is a simple way to find out if a particular application is
> Apple Script Savy?
>
> Thanks,

Try to open the dictionary of the program in question, from the Script
Editor.

-Abby
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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 09:14:49 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptDebugger

>John,
>
>I'm just curious, what do you think about ScriptDebugger? Have you had much
>time to play with it? Found anything really goofy?

Hi, Fred...

   I (US) mailed off my NDA to Mark...nothing else happened (I was assuming
it wasn't ready yet).  So I don't know.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 12:26:09 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: RE>>Accessing a Disconnected Server

>However, if the server is not on a desktop, a prompt appears
>requiring the password. Is there any way to provide the
> password with AppleScript?

QuicKeys 3.0 has an extension that passes the password to the remote Mac.  It
means creating a small script object containing the QK script, and either
loading the script object at runtime, or storing it as a property.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 11:54:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Main <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Apple ftp site

Is there an Apple corporate ftp site, with systems extras like
printer drivers, etc.?  Seems like there used to be an
"ftp.apple.com", but I can't connect to that now.

Regards,
Todd Main
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 13:26:56 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple ftp site
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Todd Main" at Sep 13, 94 11:54:21 am

--Todd Main wrote:
>
>Is there an Apple corporate ftp site, with systems extras like
>printer drivers, etc.?  Seems like there used to be an
>"ftp.apple.com", but I can't connect to that now.

    If you are having trouble connecting to ftp.apple.com you should try
ftp.austin.apple.com or ftp.support.apple.com. For the WWW-savvy people
around here take a look at http://www.apple.com or
http:///www.info.apple.com.

-Hades
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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 13:29:29 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Data <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple ftp site
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

> Is there an Apple corporate ftp site, with systems extras like
> printer drivers, etc.?  Seems like there used to be an
> "ftp.apple.com", but I can't connect to that now.

try ftp.support.apple.com

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Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 10:49:14 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brad Schrick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple ftp site

>Is there an Apple corporate ftp site, with systems extras like
>printer drivers, etc.?  Seems like there used to be an
>"ftp.apple.com", but I can't connect to that now.

-- There are two WWW sites for Apple now, at least two I should say, at

www.apple.com and www.info.apple.com

one second...

I couldn't get to ftp.apple.com either, but it's listed below... I couldn't
get to www.apple.com, but I could get to www.info.apple.com, and they
mention ftp.info.apple.com as the ftp site.  Here is their list of sites;
if you need the URLs for anything listed but don't have Web access, let me
know and I'll try to make time to get them.

Apple Related Web Pages

This page details specific support information from each of the product
groups and lists additional WWW sites both inside and external to Apple
Computer, Inc.

____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________
Apple Product Support Team Home Pages

* Power Macintosh Support

* PowerBook Support

* Quadra/Centris Support

* Printer/Peripheral Support

* Performa Support

* PIE/Newton Support

* Networking and Communication Support

* K-12 Education Support

* System Software Support

* Other Apple Software



____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________

Apple Developer Support and Information
* Developer Support Programs A comprehensive listing of developer programs
and how they might fit your needs.

* Apple Developer University The latest technical instruction for Macintosh
developers.

____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________

The Information Alley Newsmagazine
* The Information Alley Apple's premier technical newsmagazine.

____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________
Apple Fax Technical Support Catalog

* Technical Quick Fixes and Documentation These are the same files that are
available on the FaxBack system at 800-SOS-APPL.
____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________
QuickDraw GX Home Page

* QuickDraw GX Apple Computer's new imaging model for the Macintosh and
Power Macintosh computers.

____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________
Apple e-Mail Mailing Lists

* Apple List Processor Join any of four official Apple e-mail mailing lists.

____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________
Additional Apple Internet Sites

* www.apple.com The Apple Computer WWW Server

* info.hed.apple.com The Apple Higher Ed Gopher Server at University of
Minnisota (the Fighting Gophers)

* ftp.info.apple.com

* ftp.apple.com

* aux.support.apple.com An Apple UNIX related site

* spinaltap.micro.umn.edu Tech Info Library via Gopher


____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________
Apple Related Home pages that are not Sponsored by Apple Computer, Inc.

* Farallon Web Server

* Global Village

* MacWeb from EI Net

* PowerPC News

* Macintosh Internet resources from the University of Washington

* Arizona Macintosh Users Group

* Newton info from the University of Houston.

* Microlib Macintosh Archive from The University of Texas


____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________

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=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 11:04:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Hopkins <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New ScriptWizard patcher

We have posted another patcher onto gaea for downloading.  Hopefully this
one isn't corrupted.  This constitutes the final release of the updater and
revs. ScriptWizard to v 1.0.1.  As always, we welcome all your bug reports,
comments and criticisms so that we can keep improving ScriptWizard.

The file name is: SCW101x41.hqx

Best Regards,

MGH

Mike Hopkins                |   PH:  [phone]
Full Moon Software, Inc.    |   FAX: [phone]
P.O. Box 700237             |   CIS: 70713,2664
San Jose, CA  95170         |   AOL: MHopkins
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 11:07:38 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bob Beamesderfer <[e-mail]>

SUBSCRIBE, Bob Beamesderfer
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 20:56:38 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Holger Skok <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting Stuffit Lite?

Hi everyone,

My first try to actually submit something:

I'm trying to use Applescript 1.0 to update a Stuffit Archive created
by StuffitLite. I tried several commands contained in the dictionary
of StuffitLite, but many of them don't seem to work. I could select all,
but I could neither select by name, nor by number. I couldn't get the
filecount out of the archive...

In short: I'm at a loss.

Is there any documentation available for Scripting Stuffit Lite?
Are there any sample scripts using the more complex commands of Stuffit
Lite (I've got the simple drag-and-drop scripts to create an archive or
to add to an existing archive, but they don'T use many of StuffitLite's
commands).

Thanks in advance for any pointer or hints...
HSK
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 13:57:09 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: New ScriptWizard patcher
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:04:54 -0900"

>The file name is: SCW101x41.hqx

And you'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/updates/SCW101x41.hqx
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 15:54:25 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Howard White <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Archive of AppleScripts

Hello Scripters

Is these a public domain archive of AppleScripts out there?


Howard White, PC Tech. Coor.
Northeastern University
Office of VP Information Services
360 Huntington Ave
275 Richards Hall
Boston, MA 02115

Office Phone:[phone]
Portable Phone:[phone]
FAX: [phone]
http://h-white.acs.neu.edu/
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 17:18:28 -0300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Hutten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Getting multiple-record values from FMP as a list...

Has anyone been successful in getting FileMaker Pro to pass back a list of
values from several records as a list?

What I want is something like:

Set myList to Cell "Person"

and get, not just the data for the current record, but for all the
currently found records...Is there any way to do this? If I can't do it in
one command, how do I step through records?

Any help appreciated.


- bill


| Bill Hutten - [e-mail]
| 6411 Cloverdale Rd. Halifax, NS Canada B3L 2N6   [phone]
|     "Hard to love, when you're bracing for impact." - Martin Amis
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:20:41 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How to set a FileMaker Pro field to text >1 line

Has anyone managed to set a FileMaker Pro field to a text string including
a return character. I have treid many methods including playing with
AppleScript's text item delimiters. I can correctly display the text on
screen in a dialog box but FileMaker Pro usually only inserts the first
line of the text. I  have tried putting it through a loop to replace ascii
character x with z but it doesn't work for me. I have triued using as
string, as text etc as part of the string and as a separate statement
before the set.

As you can see at present I'm only using FileMaker Pro 2.0. I have read all
the docs and looked at all the examples I can.

tell application "FileMaker Pro 2.0"
        activate
Set Data Field "Message:" of Database "E-mail DB" To (Get Data Field
"Message:" of Database "E-mail DB") & (ASCII character 13) & (paragraph
counter of message_field)
end tell

The above set line fails with (ASCII character 13), return and "/r", help!

Failing that has anyone got any SMTP based receiving E-mail programs that
are scriptable. Eudora only sends by SMTP.

At present I'm hoping to step through all my e-mail messages as text files
extracting each field and inserting it into Eudora or FileMaker Pro so that
it takes up less room and is searchable. At present I'm using LeeMail 2.0.4
which has no find or scripting support.

Any other real world samples would be appreciated if they're small.

Many thanks, Neil.
P.S has anyone seen QuickTime 2.0 for ftping I hear it's on some BBSs.

Neil Christie       |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 16:32:40 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting multiple-record values from FMP as a list...
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Bill Hutten" at Sep 13, 94 05:18:28 pm

--Bill Hutten wrote:
>
>Has anyone been successful in getting FileMaker Pro to pass back a list of
>values from several records as a list?

    Yup. All the time. You can set values in multiple records as
well. You just have to use Fields instead of Cells. Think of a FM Pro
database file as a really big table. Each record in a row in that table,
each column of the table are called Fields, and a cell of the table is
the intersection of the Field and a Record.

>What I want is something like:
>
>Set myList to Cell "Person"

    Try: Set myList to Field "Person".

>and get, not just the data for the current record, but for all the
>currently found records...Is there any way to do this? If I can't do it in
>one command, how do I step through records?

    You only need to step through records in FM Pro in rare occasions.
If you need to batch process record information you are better off
putting the information into a list and then using the list to update
the range of records.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 16:50:46 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to set a FileMaker Pro field to text >1 line
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Neil Christie" at Sep 13, 94 09:20:41 pm

--Neil Christie wrote:
>
>Has anyone managed to set a FileMaker Pro field to a text string including
>a return character. I have treid many methods including playing with
>AppleScript's text item delimiters. I can correctly display the text on
>screen in a dialog box but FileMaker Pro usually only inserts the first
>line of the text. I  have tried putting it through a loop to replace ascii
>character x with z but it doesn't work for me. I have triued using as
>string, as text etc as part of the string and as a separate statement
>before the set.
>
>As you can see at present I'm only using FileMaker Pro 2.0. I have read all
>the docs and looked at all the examples I can.

    What you are missing is the fact that FM Pro doesn't use the return
character to designate paragraphs in its text fields. It only looks like
it does because FM Pro does some on-the-fly translations. One way to
handle this problem is to perform a get on text field that from FP Pro
that has a return character in it. If you then show the result of that
get in the Result window in AppleScript you will see the "box" character
that represents the FM Pro "return" chracter. For those of you who like
working with ASCII codes and the like the character that FM Pro uses is
the Vertical Tab character, which you can generate with the Page Up key
on an extended keyboard. If you copy and paste that "box" character from
the Result window to the Script window you can assign a property to it
and then you can use it throughout your script.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 20:40:27 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: New ScriptWizard patcher

The latest ScriptWizard Update is NOT available on AOL as far as I can tell
via extensive searches of the Mac area's library.

Could someone please put it here?
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 20:42:28 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Accessing Repeating Fields in FileMaker Pro w/AS

Good idea there, with that information about using the delimiters aspect...

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
        copy the Current Record of Database 1 to CurrRec
        copy cellValue of Cell "MyRepeat" to RepeatValues
        set item 2 of RepeatValues to "2"
        copy AppleScript's text item delimiters to OldDelim
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ASCII character 29
        copy RepeatValues as string to NewValues
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to OldDelim
        set cellValue of Cell "MyRepeat" of CurrRec to NewValues
end tell


..., I think I was sort of working in that direction in a round-about manner.

What I've done is this...

This database has 13 repeating fields, each capable of up to 800 repetitions.



tell application "FileMaker Pro"

     set sepRec to Document "Separated Database"
     set repRec to Document "Repeating Database"
     set recCount to (Count of Records of sepRec)

     repeat with i from 1 to recCount
          set repeatList to repeatList & (Get Data Cell repeatField of Record
i of sepRec) & ASCII character 29 as text
     end repeat

     repeat with i from (recCount+1) to 800
          set repeatList to repeatList & ""
     end repeat

     Set Data Cell repeatField of repRec to cellList

end tell



The reason for the set repeatList to repeatList & this & that is because with
the data I'm working with I run "Out of Memory".  [Note:  How does one
increase the memory to get more room in a script?  This Mac has 24 MB of RAM
on it and it is beyond me how I'm "running out of memory" on something this
simple.  I've got Script Editor up to 2 MB.]

The reason for the second repeat, stuffing nulls in behind the real data, is
that there is the problem about extra cells having the data duplicated in
them until the end of all visible repetitions in a layout.


Problem is that after a while, the system hangs.  I guess this confirms that
there is still a serious problem somewhere in the "works".

I've added my two-bits to Claris Tech Support about the product manager's
failure to make accessing a given repetition in a repeating field so
difficult.

If enough people do the same, it might make a difference....
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 19:49:50 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting multiple-record values from FMP as a list...

>Has anyone been successful in getting FileMaker Pro to pass back a list of
>values from several records as a list?
>
>What I want is something like:
>
>Set myList to Cell "Person"
>
>and get, not just the data for the current record, but for all the
>currently found records...Is there any way to do this? If I can't do it in
>one command, how do I step through records?

Well, the shortest script I can write which does something like that is

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
    Fields
end tell

which returns a list of lists.  Each inner list is a list of the contents
of each record for the corresponding field.  The field content lists are in
creation order, but only the fields in the current layout of the frontmost
database are shown, and only the data from the shown records.  You can tune
that up in various ways (layout 0 is every field, whether it is in other
layout(s) or not).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 06:08:05 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Alain Mellan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 12 Sep 1994 to 13 Sep 1994
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Hi,

I received you mail, but I'm on vacation until October 3rd.

I will reply as soon as I come back.

Until then, have fun!

--
Alain Mellan
Advanced Computer Research Institute    fax:   [phone]
1 Bvd Marius Vivier Merle             voice:   +33  72.35.84.92
69443 LYON CEDEX 03 - FRANCE          email:    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:17:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Clipboard -> Clipping

        Now that I have the Scriptalbe finder I am interested in exploring
the use of clippings.  Since many apps don't support Drag and Drop and
clippings, I thought it would be useful to have a script that converts
between the two.  I was hoping to do this with as few osaxen as possible
relying on the finder.  But it seems that there is NO way of doing it
without some as-yet-unwritten osax.

 The poorly syntaxed script below is only to give an idea of the concept
I'm shooting for:

tell application "Finder"
        make new file "clipping file" with data (the clipboard as string) with
                properties {creator type:"drag",file type:"clpt"}
end tell

So anyone feel like writing the osax, or better yet telling me how I can do
this without one....

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:21:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 12 Sep 1994 to 13 Sep 1994

>I received you mail, but I'm on vacation until October 3rd.

Looks like a badly written auto-reply script   ;-)

Hope we won't be hearing from him every day till then, I guess it is good
that he's getting the digest...

-Preston

--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 13 Sep 1994 23:47:24 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Clipboard -> Clipping

>        Now that I have the Scriptalbe finder I am interested in exploring
>the use of clippings.  Since many apps don't support Drag and Drop and
>clippings, I thought it would be useful to have a script that converts
>between the two.  I was hoping to do this with as few osaxen as possible
>relying on the finder.  But it seems that there is NO way of doing it
>without some as-yet-unwritten osax.
>
> The poorly syntaxed script below is only to give an idea of the concept
>I'm shooting for:
>
>tell application "Finder"
>        make new file "clipping file" with data (the clipboard as string) with
>                properties {creator type:"drag",file type:"clpt"}
>end tell
>
>So anyone feel like writing the osax, or better yet telling me how I can do
>this without one....

Well, a clipping file has relatively few resources (one I just made with
plain text dragged out of the Scrapbook has two:  a 'drag' (4 bytes of
which read TEXT) and a TEXT with the text.  This is probably documented
somewhere...if not it's reverse-engineerable for at least common cases.  I
would attack it by writing the necessary file.  [I'd do it with Frontier,
which has all the necessary verbs built in, so I'm not sure what you would
use from AppleScript to write the resources.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 07:01:02 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Israel Alvarez <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan & Window Resources

Question for all you FaceSpan experts out there:

I've been trying to integrate the saving of window resources for later recall
into a project of mine. I've been successful in saving the window resources,
but I can't figure out how to get a list of the names of window resources in
a project. None of the obvious commands work and the docs don't seem to
mention how this can be done. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Israel Alvarez
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 09:17:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Terry Thiel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      delete me.

I imagine this is going to everyone, sorry.  Please delete me from the script
digest and mailing lists.  Its too hard to get time to read it.  Hopefully
there will be a newsgroup soon.
-Terry
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 08:07:00 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Evad, Paul" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker, find records and speed

I've noticed a lot of Filemaker Pro discussion on the list, with some good
pointers that have helped me out. However one problem that I haven't seen
addressed is a speed factor. I'm dealing with a database with over 20,000
records, and the following core of my script application just runs too darn
slow. We timed the script vs. the regular FileMaker Find command and found
the script was about 10 times slower to respond. Has anyone else had a
similar problem?

Here is the core routine of the script:

on fetchname()
 tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  Show (Records of Database "Phone Directory" whose Cell "Name" of Layout 0
contains quername)
  set y to Count of Records
  if y is equal to 1 then
   copy Cell "Name" of Record cnt to namef
   copy Cell "Office Phone" of Record cnt to phonef
   copy Cell "Fax" of Record cnt to faxf
   copy Cell "Street Address" of Record cnt to addf
   display dialog namef & return & "Phone: " & phonef & return & "Fax: " &
faxf &
    return & "Address: " & addf buttons {"OK"} default button 1
   beginap()
  else
   display dialog "I found " & y &
    " records that match your request" buttons {"list all", "try again"}
default button 2
   set returnpar to result
   set buttonanswer to button returned of returnpar
   if buttonanswer = "list all" then
    listal()
   else
    beginap()
   end if
  end if
 end tell
end fetchname

I thought that maybe the Show every record query was the culprit for the
speed deficit, but I don't know of any other way to find and retrieve the
needed information.

Suggestions?

- Paul Evad
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 11:03:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: delete me.
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 14 Sep 94 09:17:55 CDT"

Terry,
>I imagine this is going to everyone, sorry.  Please delete me from the script
>digest and mailing lists.  Its too hard to get time to read it.  Hopefully
>there will be a newsgroup soon.

Send the unsub message to [e-mail] in the form

signoff macscrpt

Thanks.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:58:57 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker, find records and speed
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Evad, Paul" at Sep 14, 94 08:07:00 am

--Evad, Paul wrote:
>
>I've noticed a lot of Filemaker Pro discussion on the list, with some good
>pointers that have helped me out. However one problem that I haven't seen
>addressed is a speed factor. I'm dealing with a database with over 20,000
>records, and the following core of my script application just runs too darn
>slow. We timed the script vs. the regular FileMaker Find command and found
>the script was about 10 times slower to respond. Has anyone else had a
>similar problem?

    You must be new around here. We had the FM Pro finding speed
discussion on at least two occasions that I can think of, however,
niether of those has been in the last 3-4 months. The simplest solution
to your problem is to upgrade to FM Pro 2.1v3. It has a vastly improved
Show command than earlier versions...

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 14:13:18 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      JPEGView, Startup screen, and !DeskPict

I'd like to be able to use JPEGView to open a graphic file and save the file as
a startup screen. Actually, I'm trying to make this startup screen work in
conjunction with the !DeskPict extension. From what I understand, !DeskPict
extension requires a PICT file with id of 0 (zero) in the system folder and the
file name of "DeskPicture" in order to work. I thought if I use JPEGView to open
an existing graphic file and save it into a startup screen format I would be OK.

Assuming the file I want to convert to a startup screen is sitting on my desktop
and is already named "DeskPicture", here's the script:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
tell application "JPEGView"
    set myPicture to alias "Mac HD:Desktop Folder:DeskPicture"
    activate
    open {myPicture} with type fixing and changing creators without visible
    save document 1 as startup screen with reduced colors without preview and
icons
    quit
end tell

--relocate is from GTQ library
relocate myPicture to alias (path to system folder as string)
-----------------------------------------------------------------

This seems to work fine but on restart, I'm getting a trashy looking screen. I
can also see a faint message displayed on the desktop saying I need Quicktime
and Photo-JPEG decompressor for it to work (I have QT 2.0). Am I missing the
point in what is needed in order for this file to work with !DesktPict? Has
anyone tried something similar? Am I doing something wrong with JPEGView? What's
with that ghostly message? Is it a conflict with the !DeskPict extension and
JPEGView or my system version (7.0.1)? Am I rambling? Am I making any sense? Is
there anybody out there?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:41:47 EDT
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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 08:43:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: JPEGView, Startup screen, and !DeskPict

Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]> writes:

>This seems to work fine but on restart, I'm getting a trashy looking screen. I
>can also see a faint message displayed on the desktop saying I need Quicktime
>and Photo-JPEG decompressor for it to work (I have QT 2.0).

That's an easy one: the PICT is QuickTime-JPEG-compressed, and DeskPict is
loading before QuickTime, hence the picture doesn't display properly. Two
solutions:

* Create a regular uncompressed PICT (not being familiar with JPEGView,
I'll leave the details of this as an exercise for the reader :-)).

* Make QuickTime load before DeskPict, by changing the name of one or the
other.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:54:27 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Glenn L. Austin" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: JPEGView, Startup screen, and !DeskPict

Kim-son Tran wrote:
>I'd like to be able to use JPEGView to open a graphic file and save the file as
>a startup screen. Actually, I'm trying to make this startup screen work in
>conjunction with the !DeskPict extension. From what I understand, !DeskPict
>extension requires a PICT file with id of 0 (zero) in the system folder and the
>file name of "DeskPicture" in order to work. I thought if I use JPEGView to
>open
>an existing graphic file and save it into a startup screen format I would be
>OK.

The problem is that !DeskPict is loading before QuickTime, so !DeskPict
isn't seeing any compression/decompression code that QuickTime provides.
Rename !DeskPict to load after QuickTime, or better yet, IMO, get something
like Now Fun which has a desktop picture utility, and doesn't actually do
anything with the picture until AFTER the Finder starts.  Simply use a
common picture name, and use your script to change the picture file itself.

//
// Glenn L. Austin
// Computer Wizard and Racing Car Driver
// Internet:  [e-mail]
//
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 10:01:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker oddity

Speaking of FileMaker Pro, why do I get a syntax error trying to compile
this:

    tell database 1 of application "FileMaker Pro"
    end tell

while this:

    tell application "FileMaker Pro"
        tell Database 1
        end tell
    end tell

compiles OK?

It's true, the dictionary doesn't list "database" as one of the elements of
class "application". It does list "database" as an element of class "document".
But the following won't compile either:

    tell Database 1 of document 1 of application "FileMaker Pro"
    end tell

whereas this:

    tell document 1 of application "FileMaker Pro"
        tell Database 1
        end tell
    end tell

does.

In both cases, the "1" following the word "database" is highlighted, and
the error reported is "expected end of line but found number".

Remember, I'm not trying to _run_ any scripts, just _compile_ them. This means
the problem can't be in any FileMaker code, but in the dictionary, or possibly
in AppleScript 1.1 itself.

I'm using FileMaker Pro 2.1CDv1. I know the US version is up to 2.1v3, but
Claris are a little slow with their international updaters.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 18:06:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      "Save As..." in Eudora?

Friends:

   Is it possible to script Eudora's "Save As..." (from the File menu,
version 1.4.3, though 1.5 beta would be okay)? I would like to set up a
script which saves my MACSCRIPT Digests to a specified folder, so that it
can be read using EasyView. The Eudora "Save" command doesn't seem to be
the same thing.

   Thanks for all the help!
   Clint


   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
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   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:47:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker oddity

>Speaking of FileMaker Pro, why do I get a syntax error trying to compile
>this:
>
>    tell database 1 of application "FileMaker Pro"
>    end tell
>
>while this:
>
>    tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>        tell Database 1
>        end tell
>    end tell
>
>compiles OK?

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]


Synchronisity! This is not a FileMaker oddity but an AppleScript gotcha.

I have been having this problem with another in house app for the last
couple of days until a colleague pointed the answer out.

The problem is that AppleScript doesn't know about any of your apps special
terminology until it hits the

    application "FileMaker Pro"

in the tell block. Pretty dumb, but true. So AppleScript can't make hide
nor hair of

    tell database 1 of application "FileMaker Pro"
    end tell

but it does understand the following (because it knows where to look).

    tell application "FileMaker Pro"
        tell Database 1
        end tell
    end tell

AppleScript can understand

    tell document 1 of application "FileMaker Pro"
        tell Database 1
        end tell
    end tell

because the class document is defined in the standard suite. You can do
this with anything in the standard suite.

We are rapidly realising that tell blocks are not a panacea!

What really irks me about AppleScript is that its not very orthogonal.
There are lots of things you can do when sending events to applications
that can't be done when sending events to scripts (e.g. optional
parameters, elements, and so on).

That and the bane of my life, lame compile time checking.

Is Apple working on AppleScript 2.0?

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:00:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Problem in Read/Write osax or me?

I'm getting an "Out of Memory" error when I'm attempting to read a file that
I created with the same script.

Here's what I'm doing:

First I create the file and write a list to the file using:

set refNum to open for access file (thePath & fileName) with write permission
write whoList to refNum
close access refNum

The format of "whoList" is a list of records with the fields:

    folderName:string
    account:string

There are only 12 entries in the list with about 30-40 bytes per record.


I then try to read the list later on by doing the following:

set refNum to open for access file ((DTSPrefFolder as string) & fileName)
set whoList to read refNum as list
close access refNum

The open returns a good refNum but I get an out of memory error when I hit
the read.

The odd thing is that this script works fine on my Centris 610 running System
7.5b2 and AppleScript 1.1 but it fails on a PowerMac 6100/60 with System 7.5.
The one other difference I noted between the two machines is that the
Read/Write osax (is that right?) is version 1.1 on the Centris and 1.1.1 on
the PowerMac. Is there a difference between the two that could cause this
error.

Thanks for the help.

Greg Francis

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:09:31 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Is 4D First scriptable?

AND, has anyone used it yet?

Thanks,

~ Kiran

--
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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:39:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 12 Sep 1994 to 13 Sep 1994

Are there any tools along the lines of FaceSpan that allow you to produce
double-clickable AppleScript applications with menus/dialogs/etc? (I've
already considered HyperCard 2.2, but the overhead is too high and I don't
like the feel of HyperCard generated apps).

I'd really like to use FaceSpan, but we need something soon.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 20:01:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joseph Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting Eudora 2.0.3

I am trying to create a mailserver of sorts  for Eudora 2.0.3.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to read the *body* of a message. (I can get
the subject, to, and from fine). Can someone help me? Perhaps someone can
help me decipher the eudora dictionary (I am new to this) or tell me how to
do it....thanks.

--
Joseph Goodman
aka Hillbilly Bob=81
[e-mail]
Be true unto your flubba.
--
If you are using the random generator and need help, send a message with
HELP as its subject.
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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 20:54:03 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      >>Is 4D First scriptable?

        Reply to:   >>Is 4D First scriptable?
>Is 4D First scriptable?
>AND, has anyone used it yet?

    One way or another, I bet it is...
    I am _just_starting_ to script 4D Server.  Our group has it up and
running with one tiny table to learn on.
    4D Server itself is not scriptable.  However, a companion application
called 4D AppleScript (which accompanies it) is.
    You're supposed to run both simulaneously.  You direct your AppleEvent
activity to 4D AppleScript and it interfaces with 4D Server.  Soft
documention is pretty good, but I'm just a beginner.
    This little arrangement of applications is not too unusual.  For
instance, QuickMail itself is not scriptable, but you can script QuickMail if
you are also running QuickAE application (from a third-part out of Dallas).
You direct your AE commands to QuickAE and it interfaces with QuickMail.


--Richard

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Date:         Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:18:33 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Eudora 2.0.3

At 8:01 PM 14.9.94, Joseph Goodman wrote:
>I am trying to create a mailserver of sorts  for Eudora 2.0.3.
>Unfortunately, I don't know how to read the *body* of a message. (I can get
>the subject, to, and from fine). Can someone help me? Perhaps someone can
>help me decipher the eudora dictionary (I am new to this) or tell me how to
>do it....thanks.

This works for me:

tell application "Eudora2.1"
        activate
        set bod to (body of the first message in mailbox "In" of mail folder "")
        return bod
end tell


That comes from 2.1 -- I can't say whether or not anything has changed
since 2.0.3... WAIT! I just read the README for 2.1...it says "Added
AppleScript 'body' message property..." You'll have to pick up the 2.1 beta
at ftp.qualcomm.com...

spud.


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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 06:19:26 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [Q] Help needed re: deciphering descriptor records

Hi,

I'm writing an osax and so far things are moving on smoothly, except for
the problem below. I have a parameter that can be either an integer or a
list of exactly 4 strings, but nothing else. Therefore, I've set its type
to typeWildCard and it's up to the osax code to deal with the type
decoding.

In the osax code, I first try getting the descriptor record coerced to a
typeSMInt (short integer) and if that fails, I then try coercing to a
typeAEList. Both coercions work fine, given the proper input. My problem
begins when, after the descriptor record has been coerced to a list, I try
to coerce the result to a list of strings.

In the aete resource, I've defined a class with id cParamList = 'prmL'
whose only property is a list of class typeChar (strings) and id pParamList
= 'prml'. This class exists only to help the osax determine whether or not
the given list is a list of strings.

If I now try to coerce the descriptor list to a descriptor list of type
pParamList, the coercion fails, even if the input *is* a list of strings!
Out of desperation, I also tried coercing to a type cParamList, but that
fails too (but that, I think, is how it should be).

So, my question is: where am I screwing up?

I apologize if this is too technical a question to be posted here.
Thanks for any and all help.

Wagner Luiz Truppel                      [e-mail]

   *** I don't think. Therefore, I'm not sure I am. ***
___________________________________________________________
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:28:57 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      CopyFiles to server

I'm still operating with sys 7.1 and finderlib, and I'm having difficulties
copying files to a DataClub server. If the file is there already, AS comes
up with a message "Can't find "DataClub:Trash". Everytime you manually
delete a file off DataClub, it comes up with an alert saying it doesn't
have a Trash, and deletions are permanent.

Workarounds?

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:26:28 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Random Number Generator <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RESULT OF RANDOM REQUEST ([Q] Help needed re: deciphering
              descriptor records): Couldn't understand your request.

>Hi,
>
>I'm writing an osax and so far things are moving on smoothly, except for
>the problem below. I have a parameter that can be either an integer or a
>list of exactly 4 strings, but nothing else. Therefore, I've set its type
>to typeWildCard and it's up to the osax code to deal with the type
>decoding.
>
>In the osax code, I first try getting the descriptor record coerced to a
>typeSMInt (short integer) and if that fails, I then try coercing to a
>typeAEList. Both coercions work fine, given the proper input. My problem
>begins when, after the descriptor record has been coerced to a list, I try
>to coerce the result to a list of strings.
>
>In the aete resource, I've defined a class with id cParamList =3D 'prmL'
>whose only property is a list of class typeChar (strings) and id pParamList
>=3D 'prml'. This class exists only to help the osax determine whether or no=
t
>the given list is a list of strings.
>
>If I now try to coerce the descriptor list to a descriptor list of type
>pParamList, the coercion fails, even if the input *is* a list of strings!
>Out of desperation, I also tried coercing to a type cParamList, but that
>fails too (but that, I think, is how it should be).
>
>So, my question is: where am I screwing up?
>
>I apologize if this is too technical a question to be posted here.
>Thanks for any and all help.
>
>Wagner Luiz Truppel                      [e-mail]
>
>   *** I don't think. Therefore, I'm not sure I am. ***
>___________________________________________________________

--
Joseph Goodman
aka Hillbilly Bob=81
[e-mail]
Be true unto your flubba.
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:54:30 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: >>Is 4D First scriptable?

>        Reply to:   >>Is 4D First scriptable?
>>Is 4D First scriptable?
>>AND, has anyone used it yet?

You should have a look at one of the AEVT externals packs (eg System7Pack
on bu.edu) as 4D is not AEVT-aware. I used it quite a lot with 4D 2.2.3,
and found it useful, but it's a lot of work doing the coding.

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 00:51:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Sean Elfstrom <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Eudora 2.0.3
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Joseph Goodman" at Sep 14, 94 08:01:18 pm

>
> I am trying to create a mailserver of sorts  for Eudora 2.0.3.
> Unfortunately, I don't know how to read the *body* of a message. (I can get
> the subject, to, and from fine). Can someone help me? Perhaps someone can
> help me decipher the eudora dictionary (I am new to this) or tell me how to
> do it....thanks.
>

I believe that field "" of a message will get you the body. (at least
it seems that's how I did it in Eudora 1.4.3...)

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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 00:19:05 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: JPEGView, Startup screen, and !DeskPict

Glenn L. Austin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>... better yet, IMO, get something like Now Fun which has a desktop picture
>utility, and doesn't actually do anything with the picture until AFTER the
>Finder starts.  Simply use a common picture name, and use your script to
>change the picture file itself.

A better thing that I found is D=E9cor.  There's a brand new version that is
scriptable.  You can change pictures and behavior with scripts.  Drag and
drop to change the background screen!  D=E9cor is $5 shareware from Fran=E7o=
is
Pottier <[e-mail]> and available at all fine archives.

Jon
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 05:45:23 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: CopyFiles to server

I had the same problem, "Can't find "DataClub:Trash".

My solution was to develop a script to go into the server volumn and delete
all the old backup files a few minutes before copying the new backup into it.

Why a few minutes?  Well it takes a bit for the server volumn to "digest" the
trashed files.
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 06:02:23 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Eudora 2.0.3

> That comes from 2.1 -- I can't say whether or not anything has changed
> since 2.0.3... WAIT! I just read the README for 2.1...it says "Added
> AppleScript 'body' message property..." You'll have to pick up the 2.1 beta
> at ftp.qualcomm.com...

2.1 has been released, far as I know.  I haven't actually looked (a phrase
I've been using a lot in the past few minutes <grin>) but I received an
announcement of its availability.

I think that field "" is the body in 2.0.x, and may be so in 2.1.
I've never scripted anything BUT 2.1  <grin>

~ Kiran

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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 12:34:50 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gateway <[e-mail]>
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware Inc.
Subject:      NDN: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Sep 1994 to 14 Sep 1994

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

musikTypes,UltraLink (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that
the name has been entered correctly.)
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:16:42 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tony McDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 2.1 and notifying applications...

Hi,
Can someone help me out here? I have Eudora 2.1 (a truly *excellent*
program!), AppleScript 1.1 and the Eudora Announcer 1.0 application (with
the Eudora notify osax).

Try as I might, I can't get it to work.

I send the following to Eudora

tell application "Eudora"
        start notifying alias "Pandora:Tony's Announcer" when mail arrives
end tell

The applet "Tony's Announcer" is

on notice(theMessages)
        display dialog "Yes, you have new messages..."
end notice


please note that this is *not* the full Eudora Announcer 1.0 - just a stub
so's I can tell something is happening. The applet "Tony's Announcer" is
saved as an application with Stay open and never show startup screen
checked.

If the applet is not running and Eudora gets some new mail, it launches the
applet and....nothing.

The dictionary entry for notice in Eudora 2.1 is
notice: Eudora sends this event to notify an application that something happened
notice
        [occurrence mail arrives/mail sent/will connect/has connected] --
what happened
        [messages list] -- of the messages involved

Is there something wrong with my applet syntax? (ie I don't mention
'occurrence' anywhere). The Eudora notify osax only has an entry for
'notify',not 'notice' by the way.

Thanks in advance for any help people might be able to give.
Tone

-----------------------------------------------  [e-mail]
Dr Tony McDonald, Apple Systems Advisor,Computing Service,Newcastle University
Newcastle Upon Tyne, NE1 7RU.      Tel: [phone]   Fax: [phone]
http://launchy.ncl.ac.uk/Default.html       Using Eudora 2.1fc2-9.94
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 07:05:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kirk Stork <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Rifling a Eudora 1.4.3 Mailbox

I need to go through a mailbox and extract information to put in a
database.  I have this little hack that uses iostream in c++, that works,
but I was thinking...could a script be set up to do this.  If it was a
script it could continually watch my inbox and process files with the right
subject line...

The program reads a line, looks for a keyword, if it finds the keyword it
starts processing lines, one field per line until it sees another keyword.

I've never written a script, so I don't know the capabilities.  By the way,
is there a FAQ for this list?
.
.
.
// this is in  a loop

        ifs.getline (buf, 128, '\n');
        i =ifs.rdstate();
        if ( i & ios::goodbit) break;
        if (( !strcmp ( buf, EORKey))    {
                inputState = 0;
                ofs << '\n';
                }
        if ( inputState )       {
                ofs << buf << '\t';
                }
        if (( !strcmp ( buf, borKey))    {
                inputState = 1;
                }
.
.
.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions/comments.

   Kirk Stork
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 10:38:16 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gib Veconi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE> MACSCRPT Digest - 13 SI

Strictly speaking, no, 4D First is not scriptable.

Another person on this list mentioned 4D AppleScript. 4D AppleScript is
middleware which can be used to talk to a 4D Server app using AppleScript.
Although it is very powerful and fairly straightforward to use, its
functionality is limited to operations on the data tables. You can't script
actions of the 4D program.

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Sep 15, 1994 ------

Date:    Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:09:31 -0400
From:    Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Is 4D First scriptable?

AND, has anyone used it yet?

Thanks,

~ Kiran


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Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 18:12:42 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Angus McIntyre <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: JPEGView, Startup screen, and !DeskPict

At 8:13 PM 14.09.94, Kim-son Tran wrote:
>... I thought if I use JPEGView to open an existing graphic file and save it
>into a startup screen format I would be OK ... on restart, I'm getting a
>trashy
>looking screen. I can also see a faint message displayed on the desktop saying
>I need Quicktime and Photo-JPEG decompressor for it to work (I have QT 2.0).

I would suspect that the problem is that at the time the picture is read by
!DeskPict, QuickTime isn't yet loaded. !DeskPict gets loaded first, and
QuickTime is nowhere around when it tries to set up the background picture
for use. The System tries to make sense of what appears to be a PICT, but
without QuickTime to tell it how to interpret the picture, all it can get
is junk, plus the "You need QuickTime message" which was automatically
saved with the picture when it was created (when QuickTime *was*
available). Hence the mess.

That would be my best guess at what's happening. I remember something
similar back in the bad old days before System 7, when I had a startup
screen that used TrueType fonts. TrueType was then an extension, and
because the startup screen was displayed before TrueType loaded, the
TrueType fonts came out as scaled-up bitmaps.

The solution is to find a way to save the startup screen resource as a
'vanilla' picture, without using JPEG/PhotoCD compression. I would guess
that what JPEGView is doing is simply saving the picture as a resource
without checking to see what format the original is in - I doubt that the
author would have written it to apply QuickTime compression to a startup
screen, knowing that QuickTime mostly won't be available at the point at
which startup screens are typically displayed. If this is correct, then the
problem simply becomes one of figuring out a way of handing JPEGView a
standard, old-style, uncompressed PICT, rather than whatever weird flavour
you're currently giving it.

Does that help?

                        A


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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:03:29 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and notifying applications...

At 8:16 AM 15.9.94, Tony McDonald wrote:
>please note that this is *not* the full Eudora Announcer 1.0 - just a stub
>so's I can tell something is happening. The applet "Tony's Announcer" is
>saved as an application with Stay open and never show startup screen
>checked.
>
>If the applet is not running and Eudora gets some new mail, it launches the
>applet and....nothing.

Tony --

I'm with you...I've had no luck at all with Announcer 1.0, nor with any
"test" script (I did like you did, and wrote a very simple test to see if
it was receiving any notice...I got a launch, then nothing). And the
"Eudora Notify Controller" hasn't worked for me either. It seems to turn
notification "on" for certain apps, but I can't get it to turn it back off.
Both "E.N.C." and the Announcer seem to be working directly with
AppleEvents, rather than relying on the Eudora Suite of the AppleScript
code...I don't know why. Help, anyone?
Has anyone talked to Steve Dorner about this?

spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
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mangez du chocolat / lavez votre cerveau / dada / dada / buvez de l'eau
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 1994 21:12:31 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Boulter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      PageMaker fakes it's clipboard?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I'm doing some AppleScript scripting with PageMaker, and I've noticed a
problem with copying text from PageMaker. It seems that PageMaker
maintains an internal clipboard file and hashes this clipboard out to the
system clipboard when another application is moved to the front.

I haven't been able to figure out a workaround for this problem. PageMaker
is the only application I'm using in the script, so sending it to the
background isn't an option.

Anybody else have experiences, suggestions, or condolences to share?

Thanks,

Jeff Boulter



--
Jeff Boulter    [e-mail]  http://www.bucknell.edu/bucknellian/jeff
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:03:29 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joseph Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      What can I do with something of class TEXT?

I am trying to manipulate something of type TEXT to look for certain
keywords. The keywords will be an entire line, and the text I need to
extract will be an entire line. Can anyone suggest an easy way to do this?
I am kind of new to AS and can't seem to get any sort of "contents of line
x" function to work on a TEXT block....

--
Joseph Goodman
aka Hillbilly Bob=81
[e-mail]
Be true unto your flubba.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:25:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting SITcomm to generate VT220 function keys

The following Frontier two-liner was intended to make SITcomm generate
the VT220 F8 function key, defined as ESC-O-l:

escapeString = char(27) + 'O' + 'l'
SITcomm.sendText(escapeString)

When the sendText call executes, SITcomm beeps and evidently doesn't
send the command string.  Shouldn't it?  I was knee-deep in VT220
set-up commands at the time, so I may have screwed something else up...

Thanks.

-David.

____________________________________________________

David C. Myers
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:24:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PageMaker fakes it's clipboard?

Jeff said:
> I'm doing some AppleScript scripting with PageMaker, and I've noticed
> a problem with copying text from PageMaker. It seems that
> PageMaker maintains an internal clipboard file and hashes this
> clipboard out to the system clipboard when another application is moved
> to the front.
>
> I haven't been able to figure out a workaround for this problem.
> PageMaker is the only application I'm using in the script, so sending
> it to the background isn't an option.

Why not? You could switch between 'activate pagemaker' and 'activate me',
since you're guaranteed to at least have your script's application running ...

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:26:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Frankovitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Sep 1994 to 14 Sep 1994

kevin Purcell writes:

What really irks me about AppleScript is that its not very orthogonal.
There are lots of things you can do when sending events to
applications that can't be done when sending events to scripts
(e.g. optional parameters, elements, and so on).
--
This bugs me too. If I have a script, a normal script, with say, some
subroutine like this:

on sayHello (userName)
display dialog "Hi, " & userName
end sayHello

and call the complied script "hey", i can't get a tell script or run
script command in another different script to make it do its thing.
You know, something like a  :
 tell "hey"
sayHello ("Bob")
end tell

Does anyone know the correct syntax for telling a complied script how
to execute one of its subroutines with a given parameter from another
script? I could save them all as applets, and do a lot of tell
application whatevers, i guess, but that would open up all the memory
leakage dangers, and i want to try this script library thing anyway, I
know it's possible, I'm just kind of stumped...

Can anyone help me out here? I can send you a jazzy script for
payment, if you want...

Jason

--
Are you trying to say waffles are       |      Jason Frankovitz
diuretics, or that consuming diuretics  |      Bloomington, IN
makes you waffle?                       |      [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:35:44 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Quicktime and AppleScript

Quick question.

Does or does not AppleScript require Quicktime (in some fashion).
I will stop at this point in order to save myself from further humiliation :(

Frank C.
R&E
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 17:41:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to set a FileMaker Pro field to text >1 line

>
>Failing that has anyone got any SMTP based receiving E-mail programs that
>are scriptable. Eudora only sends by SMTP.
>

Get SMTP server s/w like mail share thats compatible with Eudora

>At present I'm hoping to step through all my e-mail messages as text files
>extracting each field and inserting it into Eudora or FileMaker Pro so that
>it takes up less room and is searchable. At present I'm using LeeMail 2.0.4
>which has no find or scripting support.


Eudora does searching too...

>Any other real world samples would be appreciated if they're small.
>
>Many thanks, Neil.
>P.S has anyone seen QuickTime 2.0 for ftping I hear it's on some BBSs.

Its on ftp.rasterops.com. Its part of the video vision upgrade package.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:44:55 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Alec Plumb <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and notifying applications...

>At 8:16 AM 15.9.94, Tony McDonald wrote:
>>please note that this is *not* the full Eudora Announcer 1.0 - just a stub
>>so's I can tell something is happening. The applet "Tony's Announcer" is
>>saved as an application with Stay open and never show startup screen
>>checked.
>>
>>If the applet is not running and Eudora gets some new mail, it launches the
>>applet and....nothing.
>
>Tony --

I had to fiddle with the Eudora Notify controller to get it to work.  When
Eudora gets the start notifying event, it seems to require that the
argument be of type application.  so if fname is a string, the command
should read something like:

tell application "Eudora2.1" to start notifying application fname when mail
arrives

However, the stop notifying event seems to require that the argument be a
string, so that the command should read something like this:

tell application "Eudora2.1" to stop notifying fname when mail arrives

Once I made these modifications, the following handler application (using
the Eudora Notification OSAX) seemed to work just fine:

on notify messagelist
        beep
        display dialog "notify recieved"
end notify

Alec Plumb        \\  W:619/534-8166  \\
Macintosh Support  \\  H:619/294-2112  \\
IGPP \\ SIO \\ UCSD \\  [e-mail] \\
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:48:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quicktime and AppleScript

>Does or does not AppleScript require Quicktime (in some fashion).
>I will stop at this point in order to save myself from further humiliation :(

AppleScript does not require QuickTime.

Kee Nethery
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 19:05:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quicktime and AppleScript

>>Does or does not AppleScript require Quicktime (in some fashion).
>>I will stop at this point in order to save myself from further humiliation :(
>
>AppleScript does not require QuickTime.
>
>Kee Nethery


I'm 97% sure it does IF you don't thave System 7.1. I assume it uses the
component manager, present in QT or Sys 7.1+
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:14:31 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quicktime and AppleScript

>>Does or does not AppleScript require Quicktime (in some fashion).
>>I will stop at this point in order to save myself from further humiliation :(
>
>AppleScript does not require QuickTime.
>
>Kee Nethery

This is true if the Component Manager is provided by some part other of the
system.

In particular systems (with early versions of system 7?) AS required QT to
run (because AS used the Component Manager and QT contained the Component
Manager). QT included the Component Manager because it needed it before it
was widley availible in standard systems.


Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 19:49:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joseph Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Is there a way to tell if a program is running?

Is there a way in AppleScript to tell if a program is running already? Or
must I activate it every time to make sure?

--
Joseph Goodman
aka Hillbilly Bob=81
[e-mail]
Be true unto your flubba.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 17:26:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Sep 1994 to 14 Sep 1994

>This bugs me too. If I have a script, a normal script, with say, some
>subroutine like this:
>
>on sayHello (userName)
>display dialog "Hi, " & userName
>end sayHello
>
>and call the complied script "hey", i can't get a tell script or run
>script command in another different script to make it do its thing.
>You know, something like a  :
> tell "hey"
>sayHello ("Bob")
>end tell
>
>Does anyone know the correct syntax for telling a complied script how
>to execute one of its subroutines with a given parameter from another
>script? I could save them all as applets, and do a lot of tell
>application whatevers, i guess, but that would open up all the memory
>leakage dangers, and i want to try this script library thing anyway, I
>know it's possible, I'm just kind of stumped...

Thats exactly what you do!

Save it as an applet and

tell app "hey"
        sayHello ("Bob")
end tell

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 17:52:10 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Localtalk to Ethernet Script

I'm trying to write a script to switch my powerbook 540c from localtalk to
ethernet. I've tried simply recording the action but all AppleScript does is
open the network control panel for me and then close it again. It ignores my
clicks to switch from ethernet to localtalk or vise versa. Any ideas?

Thanks

-MJL
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 21:01:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      loading script objects and mem problems

>>Does anyone know the correct syntax for telling a complied script how
>>to execute one of its subroutines with a given parameter from another
>>script? I could save them all as applets, and do a lot of tell
>>application whatevers, i guess, but that would open up all the memory
>>leakage dangers, and i want to try this script library thing anyway, I
>>know it's possible, I'm just kind of stumped...
>
>Thats exactly what you do!
>
>Save it as an applet and
>
>tell app "hey"
>        sayHello ("Bob")
>end tell

Or you could load a compiled script and use the tell command to talk to a
variable that is the result of the load script command:


set SomeScript to (load script (*alias to your script*))

tell SomeScript
        sayHello("bob")
end tell

--and/or

set SomeProp of SomeScript to "this string"

Now I have a question:

"but that would open up all the memory
>>leakage dangers,"

What are these dangers, I haven't heard of them, and I'm having real
problems with a script app quiting with an error of type 1 or an out of
memory -108 error.  I can't figure it out script wise.  The problem might
be is that I'm loading a rather large (35K) library, is this my problem -
will I have to split this into a smaller libraries for their specific uses.


I guess that was more than one question but there all related ;-)

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 21:13:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Is there a way to tell if a program is running?

>Is there a way in AppleScript to tell if a program is running already? Or
>must I activate it every time to make sure?

This depends if you mean running or frontmost.  If you just want to check
if its running you can use the scriptable finder if you have it or the
processes osax of Script Tools which provides the command:


list processes: get a list of the running applications
        list processes
        Result:   list  -- list of running applications

So it should just be a matter of:

if (list processes) contains "TargetApp" then
--statements here
else
--open it??
end if

If you wanted to make sure it was in the foreground then (from the same osax):

if (get foreground process) does not equal "TargetApp" then
tell application "TargetApp" to activate
end if


Hasta,

-Preston



--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 21:28:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Localtalk to Ethernet Script

>I'm trying to write a script to switch my powerbook 540c from localtalk to
>ethernet. I've tried simply recording the action but all AppleScript does is
>open the network control panel for me and then close it again. It ignores my
>clicks to switch from ethernet to localtalk or vise versa. Any ideas?

I'm pretty sure that most control panels are not recordable or even
scriptable.  The exception being the 'views' control panel.  The only
properties for a control panel class refer explicitly to the 'views'
control panel.  Hopefully Apple will make more of them scriptable, but
until then I think QuickKeys (or maybe frontier, but I've never used that)
is your best bet.

To keep up my little habit here of combining answers with questions (just
to really confuse the subjects of threads ;-)

Does CE software provide extra OSA documentation with QK3.0 or is it
something you just have to figure out (I am thinking of upgrading from 2).

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 22:24:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quicktime and AppleScript

>Quick question.
>
>Does or does not AppleScript require Quicktime (in some fashion).
>I will stop at this point in order to save myself from further humiliation :(

No.

[But there may have been a time when a pre-release AppleScript required
QuickTime in order to have the Component Manager available.]
  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 22:25:09 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PageMaker fakes it's clipboard?

>I'm doing some AppleScript scripting with PageMaker, and I've noticed a
>problem with copying text from PageMaker. It seems that PageMaker
>maintains an internal clipboard file and hashes this clipboard out to the
>system clipboard when another application is moved to the front.

Non-trivial applications typically work that way.  Nothing unique about
PageMaker.


>I haven't been able to figure out a workaround for this problem. PageMaker
>is the only application I'm using in the script, so sending it to the
>background isn't an option.

Something else must be running.  Using the clipboard at all suggests that
the user (you or a client) is not using the machine to do other work while
the script is running.  So bringing Finder to the front shouldn't hurt too
much.

>Anybody else have experiences, suggestions, or condolences to share?

The PageMaker scripting stuff I uploaded here recently may or may not
provide some answers, which quite possibly don't use the clipboard at all.
I was just a conduit, since I don't have PageMaker.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 07:34:57 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Thomas Baetzler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      QK 3.0 and AppleScript
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Preston Holmes" at
              Sep 15, 94 09:28:05 pm

Preston Holmes wrote:
:Does CE software provide extra OSA documentation with QK3.0 or is it
:something you just have to figure out (I am thinking of upgrading from 2).

Hmm, do you mean docs about their Interface to AppleScript, the QicKeys
Toolbox? Well, nothing to rave about, really, but then you don't need it
either. The Toolbox just offers six commands in the QK Suite beyond the
four of the required suite: PlayByName to play a macro, Do Script,
TypeTheString, MakeForeGround, MakeBackground (concerning the QK Toolbox),
and DoMenuChoice.
The last one is a real beast to figure out - I still do not know how to
activate anything from the Apple menu. Giving the aplle as a name string
does not work. I guess I should stick to MenuEvents for stuff like that.

If you have any more questions about QK3.0, just ask and I'll see what I
can find out from the package that's sitting here on my desk. Neglected,
though, since it is virtually useless in helping scripting PhotoShop.
Does anybody have any clue how to automate batch processing with that beast?
My tries have so far been quite unsuccessful :-( Hopefully Adobe will
sometime soon realize the need for OSA support.

:-Preston

Cheers,

Thomas Baetzler, [e-mail], [e-mail]
---
This product has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 08:09:04 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Thomas Baetzler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Alias/List questions

(I apologize if this sounds familiar, but I have so far not received
answers to my other questions, so I suppose my older posts to the
list went into the bit bucket somewhere. I have repro turned on now...)

In my current project (well, one of 'em :-), I am extracting picture
names from a Quark document that contains low res layout images in
order to look up the path to the corresponding highres images in a
Cumukus database. The Quark part works fine right now, after i figured
out the obvious (and mean) trap that you must not refer to image names
from the document object - which will crash Quark  if your document
contains three pages or more.

Searching the Cumulus database is a drag, since Cumulus apparently doesn't
support the "get every ... whose ..." construct. At least that is what
the german tech support told me indirectly when asking for the correct way
to do this. :-/

But at least it works without problems :-) I can find the entries I look for,
and then I need to extract the filename, which is stored as an Alias. Now
if I have Event logging activated, the Finder cries for the disk where my
image is supposed to be stored :-( Stopping logging in that part of the code
helps, but at some point in the program I need to resolve all Aliases to
simple path names so that I can sort them to prompt the user to insert them
one after the other (or to have a jukebox swap them in on demand). How can
I convert an Alias to a string without having the Finder beg for disks?

And another question is whether there is a quick and easy way to delete an
item from a list. Reading the, erm, fine Language Guide doesn't give me any
ideas besides reconstructing the list. Maybe somebody would like to write
a list handlking OSAX that would contain something like this? (And don't
you look at me, I don't know anything about Mac programming, hope it doesn't
show too much).

Anyways,

Cheers,

Thomas Baetzler, [e-mail], [e-mail]
---
This product has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.

--
Thomas Baetzler, [e-mail], [e-mail]
---
This product has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 23:57:13 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Is there a way to tell if a program is running?

>Is there a way in AppleScript to tell if a program is running already? Or
>must I activate it every time to make sure?

If it's on the local machine, just tell the app to do something...it will
be running if it wasn't already.

Given the scriptable finder, (the only way to fly, now), if you really want
to know:

tell application "Finder"
set foo to name of processes
end tell
if foo contains "TheProcessNameYouCareAbout" then
   --it's running

except that Finder doesn't currently appear in the list of processes (but
will in some future Finder).

To find the frontmost process:

tell application "Finder"
processes where frontmost is true
end tell

returns the name of the frontmost process, unless Finder is frontmost, in
which case it is an error (because processes returns an empty list) <sigh>.


Here's one workaround of the special case (there are others):

tell application "Finder"
    activate
    if (processes where frontmost is true) is {} then
        set foo to "Finder"
    else
        set foo to name of processes where frontmost is true
    end if
end tell
foo --is name of frontmost process

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 23:57:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Sep 1994 to 14 Sep 1994

At 14:26 9/15/94, Jason Frankovitz wrote:
> If I have a script, a normal script, with say, some
>subroutine like this:
>
>on sayHello (userName)
>display dialog "Hi, " & userName
>end sayHello
>
>and call the complied script "hey", i can't get a tell script or run
>script command in another different script to make it do its thing.
>You know, something like a  :
> tell "hey"
>sayHello ("Bob")
>end tell
>
>Does anyone know the correct syntax for telling a complied script how
>to execute one of its subroutines with a given parameter from another
>script? I could save them all as applets, and do a lot of tell
>application whatevers, i guess, but that would open up all the memory
>leakage dangers, and i want to try this script library thing anyway, I
>know it's possible, I'm just kind of stumped...

Here's one way, not involving an applet:

script one
    on sayHello(s)
        display dialog "Hello, " & s
    end sayHello
end script

one's sayHello("Jason")


----------
the one's ...could be replaced by
sayHello ("Jason") of one

which I find even less pleasing as "English".  Either works...you can dig
properties out of script objects the same ways.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 23:57:23 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Localtalk to Ethernet Script

>I'm trying to write a script to switch my powerbook 540c from localtalk to
>ethernet. I've tried simply recording the action but all AppleScript does is
>open the network control panel for me and then close it again. It ignores my
>clicks to switch from ethernet to localtalk or vise versa. Any ideas?

I *think* you'll need help from an outside force, such as "Player" from
PreFab Software, or QuicKeys, or Tempo.  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 15 Sep 1994 23:57:27 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: loading script objects and mem problems

>... and I'm having real
>problems with a script app quiting with an error of type 1 or an out of
>memory -108 error.  I can't figure it out script wise.  The problem might
>be is that I'm loading a rather large (35K) library, is this my problem -
>will I have to split this into a smaller libraries for their specific uses.

Try giving the applet more memory (in the usual way for an application,
twiddle with the memory assignment in its Get Info box).  Many are given
more than they need...some are not given enough.  Someday, there may be one
for which the default 200K is just right.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 10:31:37 GMT+0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christoph Dohrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript & Photoshop (was Re: QK 3.0 & AS)

>Thomas Baetzler wrote:
>Neglected,
>though, since it is virtually useless in helping scripting PhotoShop.
>Does anybody have any clue how to automate batch processing with that beast?
>My tries have so far been quite unsuccessful :-( Hopefully Adobe will
>sometime soon realize the need for OSA support.

There is a product out there which is called 'photomatic' from Daystar.
It comes as
* OSAX (photomatic scripting extension)
* Photoshop PlugIn
* Photomatic (run-Only) script.
and costs roughly $200-250

How it works:
The PlugIn records all you do (rezize, filter...) in photoshop (PS) with its own
 generic 'language' and saves these recorded actions as a text file. You can the
n either from within PS load and play thess scripts on every picture you have in
 your front window or take a bunch of pics in the finder and drag them onto the
photomatic script. This loads every pics into PS and executes the given script.
you do not need the scriptable finder for this. As another option there is a fol
der watch function that runs if you load the applet without pics...

The photomatic script is limited to load-filter-save functionality. If you want
to make more sophisticated scripts (eg combining two pictures with a cromakey an
d stuff) you'll need to deal with the scripting extension (its aete) and the Plu
gIn's 'doscript' command. There are a lot of hinches e.g. with modal dialog boxe
s and stuff... I had a beta release to test about half a year ago. Maybe you can
 find a copy somewhere to take a look at it. (btw: you live roughly 3 blocks awa
y from my house...I guess)

Otherwise consider DeBabelizer a potential candidate for your tasks....
I have a comparison that I could send to anyone who's interested.

More information on this IS available but for now this might help.


Christoph
       Dohrmann


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              Im Grunde seines Herzens schaemen
              Zieht vor, es nicht genau zu nehmen.
                                                   Eugen Roth
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 08:35:06 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Philippe Chartrand <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What can I do with something of class TEXT?

>I am trying to manipulate something of type TEXT to look for certain
>keywords. The keywords will be an entire line, and the text I need to
>extract will be an entire line. Can anyone suggest an easy way to do this?
>I am kind of new to AS and can't seem to get any sort of "contents of line
>x" function to work on a TEXT block....
>

AppleScript doesnt "know" about words paragraphs, lines and so on, but
Simple Text Exitor (STE) does. You can script STE in order to ask things
like

        get word 3 of paragraph 2 of document 1
        set style of paragraph 1 to bold

I don't think the "line" concept applies with STE (word wrapping is window
dependent), but the paragraph does. (Look at STE dictionnary from Script
Editor for details on this).




>--
>Joseph Goodman
>aka Hillbilly Bob=81
>[e-mail]
>Be true unto your flubba.

+----------------------------------------------------+

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                 inventa disponere
                   ornare verbis
                agere et pronuntiare
                  memoriae mandare

+----------------------------------------------------+
Philippe Chartrand      voix            [phone]
5238 De l'esplanade     donnees         [phone]
Montreal (Quebec)       e-mail      [e-mail]
Canada                                         H2T 2Z5
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 08:57:40 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What can I do with something of class TEXT?

At 4:03 PM 15.9.94, Joseph Goodman wrote:
>I am trying to manipulate something of type TEXT to look for certain
>keywords. The keywords will be an entire line, and the text I need to
>extract will be an entire line. Can anyone suggest an easy way to do this?
>I am kind of new to AS and can't seem to get any sort of "contents of line
>x" function to work on a TEXT block....

If the TEXT in question is written to a file, and each "piece" that you
need is a paragraph unto itself, you should be able to do a simple

repeat with i from 1 to (number of paragraphs of file "HD:folder:file")
if paragraph i contains "I am looking for a certain number of keywords"
return [or set variable to...or writetext...etc] paragraph i
end repeat

Then again, it's way too early for me to think in strictly logical terms,
but something along those lines...

spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:11:41 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Personal Online Source
Subject:      How can I make a window to the frontmost?

I am using FaceSpan:
How can I make a window to the frontmost in FaceSpan? How can I check if a
window is allready opened?

andreas

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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:15:02 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         jsullivan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: JPEGView, Startup screen, and !DeskPict

On Thu, 15 Sep 1994 Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> wrote:

> A better thing that I found is D=E9cor. There's a brand new
> version that is scriptable. You can change pictures and behavior
> with scripts. Drag and drop to change the background screen!
> D=E9cor is $5 shareware from Fran=E7o= is Pottier
> <[e-mail]> and available at all fine archives.

I could not find this in the Graphics/Utilities area of the InfoMac archives,
could you please upload it to gaea?

Thanks!

-j o n-

Jonathan P. Sullivan, "Webmaster" |    [e-mail] [e]
Technology Reinvestment Project   |          703/696-8947 [v]

      For vital signs ... finger [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 08:29:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: JPEGView, Startup screen, and !DeskPict
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 16 Sep 94 09:15:02 +0800"

In response to Jon Pugh, Jon Sullivan sez.....

>> A better thing that I found is D=E9cor. There's a brand new
>> version that is scriptable. You can change pictures and behavior
>> with scripts. Drag and drop to change the background screen!
>> D=E9cor is $5 shareware from Fran=E7o= is Pottier
>> <[e-mail]> and available at all fine archives.
>
>I could not find this in the Graphics/Utilities area of the InfoMac archives,
>could you please upload it to gaea?

The version that supports scripting is still in testing. I've requested that a
copy be sent to me as well as the macgifts sites when it is released. I'll be
sure to let everyone know.

pf
your friendly, neighborhood archivist
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 08:30:10 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: CopyFiles to server

>I'm still operating with sys 7.1 and finderlib, and I'm having difficulties
>copying files to a DataClub server. If the file is there already, AS comes
>up with a message "Can't find "DataClub:Trash". Everytime you manually
>delete a file off DataClub, it comes up with an alert saying it doesn't
>have a Trash, and deletions are permanent.
>
>Workarounds?
>
>_________________________________________________________________________
>Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
>Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
>The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/

This sounds similar to a problem I had while playing with a script to
synchronize folders.  If I remember right (and this was over 6 months ago)
the problem is that, if the trash is empty, there is essentially no "Trash"
folder for the script to put anything into.

Shortly thereafter, I got my hands on a "real" file synch utility and
stopped working on that particular script, without actually having to solve
the missing "Trash" problem, so I'm afraid I can't offer a solution.

--Tom
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:39:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Notify Controller (was: Eudora 2.1 and notifying
              applications...)

Alec Plumb <[e-mail]> said:

>I had to fiddle with the Eudora Notify controller to get it to work.  When
>Eudora gets the start notifying event, it seems to require that the
>argument be of type application.  so if fname is a string, the command
>should read something like:
>
>tell application "Eudora2.1" to start notifying application fname when mail
>arrives
>
>However, the stop notifying event seems to require that the argument be a
>string, so that the command should read something like this:
>
>tell application "Eudora2.1" to stop notifying fname when mail arrives



        Please send any bug reports (and helpful code fragments) for the
Eudora Notify Controller script to me and I'll submit a new version after
the non-beta Eudora's are released.  I originally wrote this for Eudora
1.4.2 or 1.4.3b, I think, and have wondered about it working with the most
recent versions.  I works fine for me on 1.4.3 and I've had reports of it
working on 2.0x.  If someone can confirm the above behavior, it should
certainly be reported to the proper qualcomm authorities.

        Someone recently asked why raw AppleEvents were used.  Well, that's
all I could get to work in those versions.  I would like to have one script
work with, perhaps, several versions of an application.  Sosumi. ;-)


-- Dave, who is destined to start Eudora scripting again, any day now...
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:36:31 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and notifying applications...

On 9/15/94, a.h.s. boy wrote:

> "Eudora Notify Controller" hasn't worked for me either. It seems to turn
> notification "on" for certain apps, but I can't get it to turn it back off.

You have to use the Notify Controller to turn notification off, or use
ResEdit to delete the eNot resources.  The latter should be
self-explanatory, the former is apparently possible, I haven't tried it but
it's in the docs.

I think this is brain-dead--notification should be turned off when the app
quits, but I haven't bugged the much-overworked Steve Dorner about it yet.
But now that 2.1 is finally out... <grin>

> Has anyone talked to Steve Dorner about this?

Every day.  :-|  He hasn't had a vacation in three years.  :-(

I want Apple Guide help for Eudora.  Does anyone know how easy it is to
write AG help files?

~ Kiran

--
1628 5th Street NW Washington DC 20001  202/483-3373 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:05:42 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      QuickTime, PICT, startup screens etc etc

OK

One of the QSAX (osaxen, osaxi...???) in the GTQ Programming Suite is "play
movie in" which is pretty cool as it appears to open a windiow in the
Finder to play the movie. Now is there a way to do something similar with a
PICT file ie open it in a window WITHOUT invoking an application.

Given that I'm C challenged what I'm probably saying is has anyone done
this work for me. 8-)

Thank you all for responding to my previous post re. QT and AS. The
Component Manager was connection I had heard mentioned. Anyone care to give
a BRIEF definition of the "Component Manager" ?

Frank C.
R&E
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:34:46 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Harf <ccmail.kenan.com![e-mail]>
Subject:      Newbie Questions: AppleScript and Serial Communications

     What is the best way to use AppleScript to do serial communications?  Are
     there some nice, small, scriptable, general purpose telecommunication
     applications available?  What about comm toolbox support?  Any serial
     comm OSAX available?
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 10:59:45 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What can I do with something of class TEXT?

>I am trying to manipulate something of type TEXT to look for certain
>keywords. The keywords will be an entire line, and the text I need to
>extract will be an entire line. Can anyone suggest an easy way to do this?
>I am kind of new to AS and can't seem to get any sort of "contents of line
>x" function to work on a TEXT block....

There is no line object in the basic AppleScript object model.  A paragraph,
however, is the AppleScript equivalent to a HyperCard line (i.e., text ending
with a return).  Therefore you should be able to say something like:

if paragraph 3 of myText contains "<your match text here>" then...


Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:09:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: loading script objects and mem problems

>>... and I'm having real
>>problems with a script app quiting with an error of type 1 or an out of
>>memory -108 error.  I can't figure it out script wise.  The problem might
>>be is that I'm loading a rather large (35K) library, is this my problem -
>>will I have to split this into a smaller libraries for their specific uses.
>
>Try giving the applet more memory (in the usual way for an application,
>twiddle with the memory assignment in its Get Info box).  Many are given
>more than they need...some are not given enough.  Someday, there may be one
>for which the default 200K is just right.
>
>   --John

Yes, I've already tried giving it up to 450K (which should do it!).  What
are these memory leaks I've heard about could this be it.

-Preston

--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:50:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: QuickTime, PICT, startup screens etc etc

>Thank you all for responding to my previous post re. QT and AS. The
>Component Manager was connection I had heard mentioned. Anyone care to give
>a BRIEF definition of the "Component Manager" ?

"Components" in this sense are separately compiled pieces of code
(usually), made available to applications by being placed in the Extensions
folder (usually, although they can reside in a running application,
instead).  The Component Manager presents the interface between the callers
and these bits of code.

This was put together for QuickTime...the movie controller thing is usually
shown and operated by a component, for example.

That's the short form.  The 99 pages of chapter 6 of Inside Mac:  More
Macintosh Toolbox is the long form.  [And there is a whole volume devoted
to the QuickTime components alone.]

The code which "does" AppleScript is a component.  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:50:24 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Newbie Questions: AppleScript and Serial Communications

>     What is the best way to use AppleScript to do serial communications?  Are
>     there some nice, small, scriptable, general purpose telecommunication
>     applications available?  What about comm toolbox support?  Any serial
>     comm OSAX available?

If I did that, I would use SITcomm, from Aladdin (which I have, but don't
use much).

   --john

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:19:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Apple Guide

At 8:36 AM 16.9.94, Kiran Wagle wrote:
>I want Apple Guide help for Eudora.  Does anyone know how easy it is to
>write AG help files?
>
>~ Kiran

Kiran --

Talk to Quinn in .au...he wrote the Apple Guide for Anarchie 1.3, and is so
proud of it he could burst. I haven't been able to see it yet (still
waiting for 7.5), but he might be able to help...

spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
a.h.s. boy ---------------------- manifesto overlord, dada typographics
--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
[e-mail] ----------- WWW page:  http://www.digex.net/~spud


mangez du chocolat / lavez votre cerveau / dada / dada / buvez de l'eau
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:30:05 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      A couple of answers

>Is there a way in AppleScript to tell if a program is running already? Or
>must I activate it every time to make sure?

Try checking out the OSAX from GTQ Library called "Is Application Running"

>I'm trying to write a script to switch my powerbook 540c from localtalk to
>ethernet. I've tried simply recording the action but all AppleScript does is
>open the network control panel for me and then close it again. It ignores my
>clicks to switch from ethernet to localtalk or vise versa. Any ideas?

Unfortunately, control panels are not scriptable/recordable (at least not yet).
You can probably bridge the gap with something like KeyQuencher or QuickKeys
that can record button clicks relative to an open window.

--
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AOL:        [e-mail]
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Sigmund Freud was a cross-dresser. Ever heard of a Freudian slip?
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:30:12 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Thanks for response & suggestions

Thanks for answers received from a couple of people regarding my problem with
!DeskPict. Thanks for the suggestions. I've been rather busy lately but I did
try to change the order of which Quicktime and !Deskpict was loaded. It did not
work. I'll try to explore this problem further, later today.

I will also keep in mind the suggestion of exploring Decor as an alternative.
Otherwise, I may just have to save the startup screen as a PICT file and figure
out someway of changing its id within my script. Thanks for the response and I'd
love to hear any other suggestions.

--
Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
AOL:        [e-mail]
eWorld:     [e-mail]

Sigmund Freud was a cross-dresser. Ever heard of a Freudian slip?
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 12:30:53 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Save As..." in Eudora?

>Friends:
>
>   Is it possible to script Eudora's "Save As..." (from the File menu,
>version 1.4.3, though 1.5 beta would be okay)? I would like to set up a
>script which saves my MACSCRIPT Digests to a specified folder, so that it
>can be read using EasyView. The Eudora "Save" command doesn't seem to be
>the same thing.
>
>   Thanks for all the help!
>   Clint
>
>
>   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
>   Howard Hughes Medical Institute | [e-mail]
>   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
>   Princeton, NJ 08544-1014        | 609/258-1704 (FAX)

Clint,

Off the top of my head, I would have the script grab the text of the
message into a variable, then use one of the File i/o osaxen to write it to
a text file, bypassing Eudora altogether.

Hope this is enough of a nudge...

--Tom

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan             "The city is a place where a small boy, as he walks
Technology Facilitator   through it, may see something that will tell him
Glen Grove School        what he wants to do his whole life."
Glenview, Illinois                                          --Louis I. Kahn
E-mail: [e-mail], [e-mail]
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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 10:56:27 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What can I do with something of class TEXT?

>AppleScript doesnt "know" about words paragraphs, lines and so on, but
>Simple Text Exitor (STE) does. You can script STE in order to ask things
>like

This is fortunatly incorrect.

The AppleScript String class and it synonym Text do know have words,
paragraphs, characters and text as elements (see page 66 of the AppleScript
Language Guide):

For example:

get words of "fee fie foe fum"

returns

{"fee", "fie", "foe" "fum"}

likewise

get word 1 of "fee fie foe fum"

works.

But you can't do

set bingo to "fee fie foe fum"
set word 1 of bingo to "foo"

Kevin "the Language Lawyer" Purcell :-)

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:26:17 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Kevin A. Gemeinhart" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [?] on TCP/IP osax

I just tried out the TCP/IP osax with the Send Mail sample script.  It
worked great.

My question is:  Can I include a subject?  If I can, how can it be
incorporated into the Send Mail script.

Thanks,

Kevin
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 11:43:03 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Localtalk to Ethernet Script

>>I'm trying to write a script to switch my powerbook 540c from localtalk to
>>ethernet. I've tried simply recording the action but all AppleScript does is
>>open the network control panel for me and then close it again. It ignores my
>>clicks to switch from ethernet to localtalk or vise versa. Any ideas?
>
>I *think* you'll need help from an outside force, such as "Player" from
>PreFab Software, or QuicKeys, or Tempo.  --John
>
Or KeyQuencer, which is a lot cheaper than any of the above. --David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 19:35:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gateway <[e-mail]>
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware Inc.
Subject:      NDN: MACSCRPT Digest - 14 Sep 1994 to 15 Sep 1994

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

musikTypes,UltraLink (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that
the name has been entered correctly.)
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:59:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      PowerMac Differences

Every once in a while I run into something that scripts seem to do
differently on different platforms, even thought they are running the same
version of everything. Now that we have a couple of PowerMac's, I've run into
some problems with scripts breaking. For instance:

on run
        display dialog "hello"
        tell application "Finder"
                activate
                -- do some stuff
                tell application "Foo" of machine "Bar"
                        beep -- actually send some stuff from calling applicatio
n
                end tell
        end tell
        activate
        display dialog "goodbye"
end run

Works fine on 680x0. The real application copies files to a server then tells
an application on the server what was copied over, who sent it etc. When I
run this script on a 6100, the script will halt at the nested "tell"
statement and flash the application icon for attention. Once you bring the
application to the front, it will continue (of course if you arn't there, it
times out).  The fix was to unnest the tell statements, but it was not easy
to find. When debugging script applications (drop), things don't work quite
the same from the editor as they do when actually running.

Just though I'd pass this on.

Steve Alex
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 15:38:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      A breakthrough on transportable scripts?

If you've been on this list for a while, a FAQ deals with writting script
applications on one machine and having it run on another without having to
recompile the script. I guess the problem comes from the script storing
aliases to the applications it references somewhere in the compiled code.
When you run the application on another system, it will ask you each time you
launch it where application "x" is.

This of course is a pain.  Solutions in the past where to ask for the
location of the application the first time and then store the alias to the
application in a property  and save it in the preferences folder for
subsequent runs. This works, but is still a pain, especially with a novice
user.

I must of tried 30 ways to overcome this problem and found one using the
scriptable finder and some standardization. The standardization was to put
aliases to applications that would be called in scripts in a known location.
Since we already standardized on MenuChoice (now part of 7.5), I just put a
"applications" folder in the Apple Menu Items folder and put aliases to
frequently used application in the folder. In the script applications I then
use code like the following to launch applications I need. The code below
launches MacWritePro.

        tell application "Finder"
                set foo to original item of every alias file of |_
                        folder "applications" of apple menu items folder |_
                        whose creator type is "MWPR"
                set bar to foo as string
        end tell
        launch application bar

--   |_ represents a line continue character

I'll leave the error trapping (two aliases would create a list, etc) up to
the reader, I'am just trying to get the concept out.

Does anyone have the ISBN number of the book on the Scriptable Finder? It may
be easier than all this experimenting and guessing.

Steve Alex
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:50:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript & 7.5

I just installed 7.5 and see that my Finder Scripting Addition is now at
version 1.2, to answer Lawrence's question.  In addition, there are 3 new
osaxen: AGStart, MonitorDepth & Set Volume.  AGStart starts AppleGuide, the
others are obvious.

The Script Editor is now at version 1.1.1.  I'll try to find out what
changed.  Hopefully it's the dictionary bug, but I don't have a clue.

There are a dozen sample scripts included.  Their names are:

Find Original from Alias
Stop File Sharing
Turn Sound Off
Turn Sound On
Start File Sharing
Add Alias to Apple Menu
Share a Folder
Alert When Folder Changes
Change Monitor to 256
Change Monitor to B&W
Hide/Show Folder Sizes
Synchronize Folders

Finally, since "version" is the Finder Scripting Extension's version,
"product version" is the system & finder version, which is 7.5.

Jon

PS:

I do my mail from my PowerBook while at work, so I wrote a script to send
the clipboard from my Quadra to Eudora on my PowerBook.

set theText to the clipboard
tell application "Eudora" of machine "Office in a box" of zone "Storm Phonenet"
        set the clipboard to theText
end tell

I use it with OSA Menu.  It's damn cool!  It could probably be generalized,
but I don't feel like bothering.

Jon
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:38:47 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dean Kirstein <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Digital Signatures (Digisign)

I am trying to use the Digisign utility to have an Applescript automaticly
sign a file and also "verify" it as well. The Digisign does not appear to be
scriptable?

Has anyone done any work with the Digisign or digital signatures and
Applescript?

 Virginia Tech                                  User Services Department
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 15:25:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matt Stevens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Need messages

Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I didn't receive the second half of the
digest for Sept. 14 and 15 and I noticed that one of the topics listed was:
 18. Localtalk to Ethernet Script

If someone could email me the relevant messages, or digest I'd much
appreciate it.  Thanks!
--
matt

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:: Matt Stevens                                      email: [e-mail] ::
:: Online Information Technician                     phone:   [phone] ::
:: Tribe Computer Works                                fax:   [phone] ::
:: <a href="http://www.tribe.com/HTML/thetribe/matt.html">Matt's Home!</a> ::
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:52:35 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christian Jacobsen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Variable between apps?

                       Subject:                               Time:2:43 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Variable between apps?                 Date:9/16/94
Greetings,
I am having some difficulty transferring data between apps, and I was
wondering if someone could help.

I have an applet that gathers some info from the user (Name, ph#, building#,
room#, etc) and stores the responses as a list in a variable called UserData.
 I then want the applet to put this information into a field in a HyperCard
stack.  Seems simple, but I cannot seem to get it to work.  I think I just
have a mental-block on this one thing...

Can someone show me exactly how to get the variable "UserData" from the
applet "Logger" into a background field named "New Record" in HyperCard stack
"Respository"?  I am an accomplished HC scripter, and a newbie AppleScripter,
and if I can just get this one thing right, I think I will "get" this whole
AppleScript deal.

Thanks for the help,
- Christian
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 19:27:29 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A breakthrough on transportable scripts?

At 13:38 9/16/94, Steve Alex wrote:
>Does anyone have the ISBN number of the book on the Scriptable Finder? It may
>be easier than all this experimenting and guessing.

ISBN 0-201-40910-0

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 19:27:44 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript & 7.5

>I just installed 7.5 and see that my Finder Scripting Addition is now at
>version 1.2, to answer Lawrence's question.  In addition, there are 3 new
>osaxen: AGStart, MonitorDepth & Set Volume.  AGStart starts AppleGuide, the
>others are obvious.
>
>The Script Editor is now at version 1.1.1.  I'll try to find out what
>changed.  Hopefully it's the dictionary bug, but I don't have a clue.

No...sorry to say the Dictionary Bug is alive and well (if you mean the
missing headings and/or missing complete content, depending on phase of
moon).  [I got to work on a real "phase of the moon" bug a couple of years
ago...a program which crashed if asked to draw the moon when it was more
than 99% full.]

By the way, if you bug the Apple folks about this again, you might include
mention of the problem of drawing the right end of long Dictionary comment
lines behind the vertical scroll bar (I have my comment font set to
*Italic* Geneva 9, which may well be part of the problem).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 12:25:00 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      VVision images


Is there anything in the VideoVision 2.0 package aside from QuikTime 2.0
which is of any interest to 'non card-holders' as it were? Or are all of
the other utilities in there only usable by VVision owners?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 08:15:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Save As..." in Eudora?

Tom:

   Thanks for the tip:

>Date:    Fri, 16 Sep 1994 12:30:53 CDT
>From:    Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: "Save As..." in Eudora?
[...]
>Off the top of my head, I would have the script grab the text of the
>message into a variable, then use one of the File i/o osaxen to write it to
>a text file, bypassing Eudora altogether.

   Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]> gave me some similar advice via e-mail
(Kiran also highly recommended Eudora 1.5...or even 2.1).

   Here's the answer from the horse's mouth:

>From: [e-mail] (Steve Dorner)
>Subject: Re: "Save As..." in Eudora AppleScript?
>
>Alas, no.

Pithy, but unarguable. But, gee...I thought AppleScript was supposed to
make life *easier* :-) .

   Clint


   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
   Howard Hughes Medical Institute | [e-mail]
   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
   Princeton, NJ 08544-1014        | 609/258-1704 (FAX)
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 14:06:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and notifying applications...

At 8:16 AM 15.9.94, Tony McDonald wrote:
>If the applet is not running and Eudora gets some new mail, it launches the
>applet and....nothing.
>
>The dictionary entry for notice in Eudora 2.1 is
>notice: Eudora sends this event to notify an application that something
>happened
>notice
>        [occurrence mail arrives/mail sent/will connect/has connected] --
>what happened
>        [messages list] -- of the messages involved
>
>Is there something wrong with my applet syntax? (ie I don't mention
>'occurrence' anywhere). The Eudora notify osax only has an entry for
>'notify',not 'notice' by the way.

I had the exact same problem. Getting rid of the parameter "theMessages"
fixes the problem, but then you don't have a list of the new messages. I've
gone crazy trying to fix this. I did figure out, though, that if you do

on notify(messages)
display dialog (class of messages)
end

It returns "scrpt", and not "list" as it should. I don't know if this is a
bug in the Eudora Notification OSAX or not... I noticed the bizarre fact
that the OSAX is called "notify", not "notice" as well. That may, in fact,
be the problem. The author may have simply written an OSAX for simple
notification, and not notification with parameters... I'll write to him and
find out.

Steve Dorner replied to my question about exactly what parameters the
notification sends by quoting the dictionary entry above. That leads me to
believe that it is, in fact, the OSAX which is not sending along the proper
parameters... I'll keep you posted.

spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
[e-mail] ----------- WWW page:  http://www.digex.net/~spud


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=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 13:16:11 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quicktime and AppleScript

John W. Baxter <[e-mail]> (et al) wrote:
>>
>>Does or does not AppleScript require Quicktime (in some fashion).
>>I will stop at this point in order to save myself from further humiliation :(
>
>No.
>
>[But there may have been a time when a pre-release AppleScript required
>QuickTime in order to have the Component Manager available.]

AppleScript has always shipped with a copy of the component manager 1.5
inside, so it can install it if it is not already there.  AppleScript
requires nothing besides itself (assuming that you count the AE Manager as
part of AppleScript).

Of course, if we're talking prerelease, there's all kinds of weird stuff
that we could get into.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 13:16:14 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript & 7.5

John W. Baxter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I just installed 7.5 and see that my Finder Scripting Addition is now at
>>version 1.2, to answer Lawrence's question.  In addition, there are 3 new
>>osaxen: AGStart, MonitorDepth & Set Volume.  AGStart starts AppleGuide, the
>>others are obvious.
>>
>>The Script Editor is now at version 1.1.1.  I'll try to find out what
>>changed.  Hopefully it's the dictionary bug, but I don't have a clue.
>
>No...sorry to say the Dictionary Bug is alive and well (if you mean the
>missing headings and/or missing complete content, depending on phase of
>moon).

Yeah, I was being optimistic.  Jens says he doesn't know why they changed
the version number from 1.1 to 1.1.1.  I took a look at the code and it
appears that it's just a recompile.  They turned off resource names, which
saved some space, and the globals (stored off of A5) changed their offsets.
I didn't examine all the code differences, but a spot check indicated that
no code really changed.

>By the way, if you bug the Apple folks about this again, you might include
>mention of the problem of drawing the right end of long Dictionary comment
>lines behind the vertical scroll bar (I have my comment font set to
>*Italic* Geneva 9, which may well be part of the problem).

I didn't know what you were talking about until I went and looked.  You've
misdiagnosed the problem, I think.  Iy has nothing to do with the font or
style.  The real trouble is that the dictionary window doesn't wrap based
on its width.  Instead, it appears to have a fixed wrap point (and my
default dictionary window is that wide) so that the wrap never changes,
regardless of how wide the window is.  I agree, it's kind of lame though.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 13:16:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript & Photoshop

Christoph Dohrmann <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>Thomas Baetzler wrote:
>>Neglected,
>>though, since it is virtually useless in helping scripting PhotoShop.
>>Does anybody have any clue how to automate batch processing with that beast?
>>My tries have so far been quite unsuccessful :-( Hopefully Adobe will
>>sometime soon realize the need for OSA support.
>
>There is a product out there which is called 'photomatic' from Daystar.
>It comes as
>* OSAX (photomatic scripting extension)
>* Photoshop PlugIn
>* Photomatic (run-Only) script.
>and costs roughly $200-250
>
>How it works:
>[snip...]
>
>The photomatic script is limited to load-filter-save functionality. If you
>want to make more sophisticated scripts (eg combining two pictures with a
>cromakey and stuff) you'll need to deal with the scripting extension (its
>aete) and the PlugIn's 'doscrit' command. There are a lot of hinches e.g. with
>modal dialog boxes and stuff... [snip]

Another option is PhotoFlash.  It does a lot of this stuff and is
completely scriptable.  Depending on what you do with PhotoShop, you can
replace a lot of its basic functionality with a fast scriptable program.

Plus, just hitting some of the mail order catalogs is version 2.0 which
includes a scriptable image cataloger (similar to the $1500 Cumulus
product). That makes batch processing of images _very_ easy.  They've even
lowered the price.  Check it out.  I'll post a press release when it
arrives.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 16:45:48 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      oops

In case you're wondering why the heck I posted that last message about
VideoVision to this list, I don't have any idea. I meant to send it to the
AV list. there's one letter's difference in my addressbook alias between
the two. I should stop doing all my communicating at 4 a.m., maybe.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 17 Sep 1994 22:52:50 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Allan R. Crump Jr" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AutoType OSAX

Just a short THANK YOU to [e-mail] for writing the
AutoType OSAX that is on Gaea. With it, I have managed to automate
just about every un-scriptable application that I have !!

I don't know how I got along without it before !
Allan C.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 02:33:50 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Scott S. Lawton" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: QK 3.0 and AppleScript

Thomas Baetzler wrote:
>QK3.0 .... Neglected,
>though, since it is virtually useless in helping scripting PhotoShop.
>Does anybody have any clue how to automate batch processing with that beast?
>My tries have so far been quite unsuccessful :-( Hopefully Adobe will
>sometime soon realize the need for OSA support.

Well, Photoshop 3.0 doesn't seem to add any OSA support, so I wouldn't hold
my breath.  You could use our Player product to drive Photoshop from
AppleScript (or Frontier).  Advantage over QK or QKScript: Player adds
verbs directly to AppleScript (or UserTalk), so the full power of the
scripting language is available at every step.

Details on ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescrpt/PRs/PlayerInfo.sit.hqx

I can also e-mail example scripts to anyone who is interested.  (Please
specify AppleScript, Frontier or both.)

cheers,

-- SSL, PreFab Software
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Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 02:34:11 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Scott S. Lawton" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting the scriptable Finder

>4) On a similar subject, I have learned a bit of a trick. If you have the
>French (or probably other) dialect installed, and you switch to French in
>the formatting menu, you can see the actual AppleEvent commands that are
>being sent by many of the OSAX.

And if you don't have another dialect, just remove the OSAX from the Scr.
Additions folder.

cheers,

-- SSL, PreFab Software
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Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 02:34:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Scott S. Lawton" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Localtalk to Ethernet Script

>>I *think* you'll need help from an outside force, such as "Player" from
>>PreFab Software, or QuicKeys, or Tempo.  --John
>>
>Or KeyQuencer, which is a lot cheaper than any of the above

Well, for simple tasks, Player Runtime will suffice, and isn't that much*
more expensive ($25 commercial) than KQ ($10 shareware).  Advantage: adds
verbs to your chosen scripting language vs. sending a doScript in KQ's
language.  For longer scripts, it's probably more "synchronous" than KQ.

* Granted the percentage difference is high, but the absolute difference isn't!

cheers,

-- SSL, PreFab Software
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Date:         Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:03:25 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Karl Overland <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Problem running script

What was that?  who are you and why did I receive it?

Karl Overland
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 09:10:49 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Personal Online Source
Subject:      Where can I find the TCP/IP osax?

thanx
Andreas

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sent via  m a g n e t / [phone] / [e-mail]
--------------------------------------------------------
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Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 09:17:57 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: QuickTime, PICT, startup screens etc etc

> One of the QSAX (osaxen, osaxi...???) in the GTQ
> Programming Suite is "play movie in" which is pretty cool
> as it appears to open a windiow in the Finder to play the
> movie. Now is there a way to do something similar with a
> PICT file ie open it in a window WITHOUT invoking an
> application.

Won't QuickTime read JPEG compressed PICTs? Use JPEGView to save
a PICT in the compressed format. Photoshop will do this too.

Peter
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Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 09:24:24 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Variable between apps?

> I am having some difficulty transferring data between
> apps, and I was wondering if someone could help.

The following post is from the HyperCard news group. Kevin Calhoun leads
the HyperCard development team. Hope it answers some questions.


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From: [e-mail] (John Kevin Calhoun)
[1] Re: Data collection with AppleScript
Date: Thu Sep 15 17:17:17 EDT 1994
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
Lines: 91


In article <34nvub$[e-mail]>,
Christian Jacobsen  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Could someone post, or email me, a sample script that will pass
>a variable from one application to another?  Here is what I have
>so far:
>
>property DefinedApp : ""
>set DefinedApp to (choose application with prompt "Select Target:")
>set UserInputVar to "Someday my prints will come..."
>tell DefinedApp
>        ---- WHAT?  How do I tell DefinedApp to set a local variable to the
>value of UserInputVar?
>end tell

The best way to pass data between applications, in fact to pass data
between any two scripts, is by means of parameters, like so:

  property DefinedApp : ""
  set DefinedApp to (choose application with prompt "Select Target:")
  set UserInputVar to "Someday my prints will come..."
  tell DefinedApp
    heresTheStuff(UserInputVar)
  end tell

In the example above, I'm passing the value contained by UserInputVar
as a parameter (in fact the only parameter) to the subroutine
'heresTheStuff'.  The applet or HyperCard-based application that
receives the subroutine call can handle it in a script with the
following handler:

  on heresTheStuff(theStuff)
    -- theStuff now contains the value sent as the parameter
  end heresTheStuff

In other words, your script calls the subroutine named "heresTheStuff"
with the data you want to pass to it in the first parameter to the
call.  Subroutine calls and parameter passing are discussed in the
_AppleScript Language Guide_ on pages 235-239.

You can also use HyperCard's global variables to pass data between
scripts, but they are best used only when you need to store textual
data between chains of script execution.  The following script
stores the value contained by UserInputVar in a HyperCard global
called ReceiveVar.  Note the use of quotation marks in the reference
to the variable; they're used here because, to AppleScript, HyperCard
globals are application objects, not language elements, and they
must therefore be specified by the means AppleScript provides for
application objects, in this case by name.  From AppleScript, you
should think of HyperCard globals as fields that lack a visual
manifestation, i.e. named containers you can't see.  (BTW, Chapter 5
of the _AppleScript Language Guide_ is all about objects and
references.)

  property DefinedApp : ""
  set DefinedApp to (choose application with prompt "Select Target:")
  set UserInputVar to "Someday my prints will come..."
  tell DefinedApp
    copy UserInputVar to variable "ReceiveVar"
  end tell

You can then examine the data placed in ReceiveVar in a HyperTalk
script, as follows:

  on doSomethingInHT
    -- do something with ReceiveVar
    global ReceiveVar
    answer ReceiveVar
  end doSomethingInHT

or in AppleScript, as follows:

  on doSomethingInAS
    -- do something with ReceiveVar
    display dialog variable "ReceiveVar"
  end doSomethingInAS

Finally, you could transfer data between your script and your HyperCard-
based application by putting the data into a HyperCard field, like so:

  property DefinedApp : ""
  set DefinedApp to (choose application with prompt "Select Target:")
  set UserInputVar to "Someday my prints will come..."
  tell DefinedApp
    copy UserInputVar to field 1  -- field by number
    copy UserInputVar to field "Fred"  -- field by name
    copy UserInputVar to field id 127  -- field by id
  end tell

Kevin Calhoun
[e-mail]
End
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Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 17:35:24 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How can I strip trailing return/blank lines from a string

I have tried various ways to strip trailing returns/blank lines from a
string x, usually along the lines of:

while last paragraph of x is ""
set x to paragraphs 1 thru ((count paragraphs in x) - 1) of x
end while

I think that's how in went, I then get erros of can't get last paragraph os
and then the lines of the script in separate speech brackets. Adding set
AppleScript's text item delimiters to ... or as text as string etc doesn't
help. I've tried various other things but none of them work.

Any replies appreciated, Neil.

Neil Christie       |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 17:35:58 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How can I tell FileMaker Pro to tell my app to do s'thing

Sorry if this is simple but none of the examples that came with FileMaker
Pro 2.0 or those on gaea seem to cover this. For example if I save a
script:

on foo()
display dialog "Warning Text" buttons "Ok" default button "Ok" with icon note
end foo

as stay open with a name of "Test app" and launch it from the desktop then
create a separate script with the text: tell application "Test app" to
foo()

then foo is run. How do I do this from FileMaker Pro 2.0 entering it in the
script text box doesn't work nor doest playing with the pop-up menu above.
Do I have to define the type of apple event?

Any help greatky appreciated, Neil.

Neil Christie       |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 09:30:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Digital Signatures (Digisign)

Dean Kirstein <[e-mail]> writes:

>I am trying to use the Digisign utility to have an Applescript automaticly
>sign a file and also "verify" it as well. The Digisign does not appear to be
>scriptable?

It wouldn't help you if it were. DigiSign doesn't sign things, it's only for
creating and approving signers (which are what you actually use to sign things).
There are system calls available to any AOCE-aware application, for actually
using signers to sign things, and verifying signatures. When you drop a file
on a signer to sign it, the calls are being done by the Finder.

>Has anyone done any work with the Digisign or digital signatures and
>Applescript?

I have a couple of HyperCard externals that do signing and verification.
They represent the signature as a hex string (about 2.5K in size for my own
signer). If there's enough interest, I guess I could release these...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 10:48:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Localtalk to Ethernet Script

Preston Holmes <[e-mail]> writes:

>I'm pretty sure that most control panels are not recordable or even
>scriptable.

Correct. There are *NO* scriptable control panels. This is because they
do not have their own process context, but run within the Finder's context.
In order for them to be scriptable, they would have to install AppleEvent
handlers into the Finder's context. This might be OK as long as the control
panel was open, but what do you do when it's closed?

> The exception being the 'views' control panel.

It's not really an exception, because it isn't a real control panel. Open
it with ResEdit: do you see any code?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:13:16 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script Tools

I was having a go with the Script Tools (1.3) package, in particular the
Regular Expressions part. I tried the example in the docs, which came up
with a syntax error.

set pattern to compile regular expression "This (.*) test"
substitute regular expression pattern of "This is a test" with "---\1--"

When I put an extra backslash in the replacement pattern to get it to work,
Script Editor always crashes.  What gives?

BTW, I'm not very familiar with grep, so is this the right syntax for
replacing a CR in a var with "<P>"?

set pattern to compile regular expression "\\r"
set var 2 to substitute regular expression pattern of var1 with "<p>"


_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 23:55:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Frankovitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MACSCRPT Digest - 15 Sep 1994 to 16 Sep 1994

>>>>> "JBaxter" writes:

    >> ... and I'm having real problems with a script app quiting with
    >> an error of type 1 or an out of memory -108 error.  I can't
    >> figure it out script wise.  The problem might be is that I'm
    >> loading a rather large (35K) library, is this my problem - will
    >> I have to split this into a smaller libraries for their
    >> specific uses.

    JBaxter> Try giving the applet more memory (in the usual way for
    JBaxter> an application, twiddle with the memory assignment in its
    JBaxter> Get Info box).  Many are given more than they need...some
    JBaxter> are not given enough.  Someday, there may be one for
    JBaxter> which the default 200K is just right.

This was what i was referring to re the memory leakage dangers. For
some reason applets are very prone to breaking their heap wide open.
Anyone out there know why?

Jason

--
Are you trying to say waffles are       |      Jason Frankovitz
diuretics, or that consuming diuretics  |      Bloomington, IN
makes you waffle?                       |      [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 23:35:11 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 15 Sep 1994 to 16 Sep 1994

>>>>>> "JBaxter" writes:
>
>    >> ... and I'm having real problems with a script app quiting with
>    >> an error of type 1 or an out of memory -108 error.  I can't
>    >> figure it out script wise.  The problem might be is that I'm
>    >> loading a rather large (35K) library, is this my problem - will
>    >> I have to split this into a smaller libraries for their
>    >> specific uses.
>
>    JBaxter> Try giving the applet more memory (in the usual way for
>    JBaxter> an application, twiddle with the memory assignment in its
>    JBaxter> Get Info box).  Many are given more than they need...some
>    JBaxter> are not given enough.  Someday, there may be one for
>    JBaxter> which the default 200K is just right.
>
>This was what i was referring to re the memory leakage dangers. For
>some reason applets are very prone to breaking their heap wide open.
>Anyone out there know why?
>
>Jason



Yes PLEASE, I tried JBaxter's advice to no avail.  I have not been able to
get the store script command to work reliably with storing even relatively
small libraries (only properties) The script starts storing the object
takes awhile then returns and error -108, but not always (seems to be when
much of the object has been changed).  Although a crude tool, the "about
this mac" window shows no climbing mem usage.  I need load and store script
to share properties between two scripts but keep running into this BUG.  Is
anyone else having this much trouble with this???

BTW the Error seems to be coming from the applescript system not the finder
        The error is in saving changes to the script in which the store
script command resides, not the script being stored.

I have no idea how else to share properties between scripts!!!

Thanks for any help and sorry for the public frustrations...

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 08:49:43 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dr. Michael Bach" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How can I tell FileMaker Pro to tell my app to do s'thing

Dear colleagues:

>Sorry if this is simple but none of the examples that came with FileMaker
>Pro 2.0 or those on gaea seem to cover this. For example if I save a
>script:
>
>on foo()
>display dialog "Warning Text" buttons "Ok" default button "Ok" with icon note
>end foo
>
>as stay open with a name of "Test app" and launch it from the desktop then
>create a separate script with the text: tell application "Test app" to
>foo()
>
>then foo is run. How do I do this from FileMaker Pro 2.0 entering it in the
>script text box doesn't work nor doest playing with the pop-up menu above.
>Do I have to define the type of apple event?

Since I had this very problem and with help from Marco Strehler
<[e-mail]> got it solved, I'll post it to the group.
You need to write your event handlers in the generic way like:

on <<event FMPRmyev>> theParameter
  --do something with the supplied parameters, like:
  activate
  display dialog theParamter as text
end

The "<<" are a single character and have to be entered as option-Q (on my
keyboard). The program is saved as "stay open" and run.

In filemaker you make a script sending "other" events (if that's what its
called in English), giving a type like "FMPR" and event ID "myev" to fit
the example above. The parameter can come from a field or from the text in
the script dialog in Filemaker. Both class and ID are arbitrary, but it may
make sense to use the application signature as class.

There does not seem to be a way to send lists or a number of parameters.

Greetings, Michael.

Dr. Michael Bach, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of Freiburg,
D-79106 Freiburg, Germany. ++049(761)270-4060. [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 08:11:33 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Bedford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Timing Problems

For a first attempt at scripting I have started to write three scripts that
I can use to connect with my dialup PPP account. I have found some problems
which I can't solve.

The first script dails my account sends mail with Eudora, receives mail
with AddMail, receives News using MacSlurp, and writes an entry into a log,
so I know how much the call has cost.

At the moment I have a dialog box to make the script wait until MacSlurp
finishes. Is there a neater way of writing a wait.....until loop?
Ideally I would like to use an AE from MacSlurp to start the closedown sequence.
MacSlurp is AE aware but not scriptable.

The second project involves two scripts one to dial up and open Anarchie or
MacWeb and the other to close everything down and record the time the line
was open. Is there any way that I can store a time from the first script so
that the second script can use it?
I have to use two scripts because the dialogue boxes are modal

Thanks in advance


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Bedford                                   Designer of Photo-Etches
[e-mail]
[phone]

         Living on a island gives the world a different perspective
------------------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 10:09:59 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Disabling cancel (cmd-.) possible?

Is there a way to temporarily disable canceling the execution of a script?
There is a point in a script for a very brief period of time (less than two
seconds) that could cause loss of data for the user if they cancelled. It's
not likely they'll cancel at that point but it is possible.

Thanks,

Greg Francis

__________________________________________________________________________
Greg Francis                | STEP/Star Schools Project
Research and Development    | Educational Service District 101, Spokane WA
Technical Support Staff     | Bringing the best in K-12 distance education
[e-mail] | to remote schools across the United States.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:34:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Disabling cancel (cmd-.) possible?

>Is there a way to temporarily disable canceling the execution of a script?
>There is a point in a script for a very brief period of time (less than two
>seconds) that could cause loss of data for the user if they cancelled. It's
>not likely they'll cancel at that point but it is possible.

I can't think of any.  If you can't redo the script so that the data loss
is impossible, you may have to move the dangerous operations into a
Scripting Addition or a small application, where you would have more
control.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 18:07:51 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Limon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: my own question

>>Is the only way to have an applet in the startup items folder constantly
checking the time & date or what?<<

I like to use QuicKeys to time launch an applet.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 19 Sep 1994 19:08:27 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Shawn Connelly <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Checking a Frontier table

                 Checking a Frontier table
I would like to find a script that when pass a table address and a value,
checks to see if the value is equal to any element of the table. I'm sure
someone has had to write this, and I don't have the time, and even want to
re-invent the wheel.

Thanks.

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Shawn Connelly                          |  Computers are useless. They
 The Prudential Bank                     |   can only give you answers.
 Two Concourse Pkwy, #400                |    - Pablo Picasso
 Atlanta, GA 30328                       |
 Internet: [e-mail] -or- [e-mail]; Phone: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 00:34:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Atul Butte <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ANNOUNCING TCP/IP SCRIPTING ADDITION 1.1 (LONG)

I am now sending a new version of the TCP/IP Scripting Addition (version
1.1) to the gaea.kgs.ukans.edu AppleScript archives.  I think Fred Terry
will post a message when it becomes accessible.

You will find a 750K self-enclosed archive containing the TCP/IP Scripting
Addition version 1.1, a text document listing the changes from the 1.0
version, a text document detailing Licensing Information, two Word
documents containing Licensing Agreements (one for individuals, one for
site licenses), nine sample scripts (and a text document describing them),
and a Word document describing the Programming Instructions.

Please note that this release is intended for personal use only.  Using any
of the new commands or options in version 1.1 will display a reminder to
register yourself as a user.  Information on registering the Scripting
Addition is described at the end of this message.  Users who have already
sent licensing fees or purchase orders will be getting this new version
(without the reminder messages) plus printed documentation in a Priority
Mail package.

TCP/IP Scripting Addition version 1.1 is the latest version of an
award-winning AppleScript scripting addition (first place in the "Best
Hack" category in the Everyday AppleScript Programming Competition). This
scripting addition (or osax) allows you to write scripts using MacTCP
commands in AppleScript.  Potential uses of this include sending e-mail or
files through a script, checking if users are logged on (via Finger),
automating FTP transfers, automating Gopher and NetNews, writing scripts to
check whether machines are up, UNIX lpr, and quickly writing many other
TCP/IP client-server programs.  When combined with FaceSpan, the potential
for rapid implementation of client-server applications is enormous.

The TCP/IP Scripting Addition works with AppleScript 1.0 or better, MacTCP
2.0.4, and either FrontMost or FaceSpan.

There have been several important changes since the 1.0 version -- you will
need to recompile scripts which have been saved as text files.  In addition
to several bug fixes, most of the commands have new features:

1. TCP READ can now return incoming data as any particular type, not just text.
2. TCP WRITE can now send data of any type, not just text.
3. TCP RECEIVE can now receive data or resource forks, or an entire file as
MacBinary.  It also supports receiving open files (file reference numbers
from OPEN FOR ACCESS).  It can also append incoming data onto an existing
file.
4. TCP SEND can now send data or resource forks, or an entire file as
MacBinary.  It also supports sending open files (file reference numbers
from OPEN FOR ACCESS).
5. TCP SHUTDOWN is a new command that lets you close either direction in
the full-duplex TCP/IP connection.
6. TCP DEBUG DUMP BUFFER is a new command that lets you peek at the
characters waiting to be read without removing them from the stream.
7. TCP STATUS now returns connection codes that better detail half-closed
connections.
8. TCP CLOSE is now done asynchronously, so that scripts can connect to TCP
servers on the same Macintosh.
9. TCP CONNECT now supports connecting from a specified port, and now works
asynchronously for self-send support.
10. TCP NAME TO ADDRESS is a new command that takes a hostname and returns
an IP address.
11. TCP ADDRESS TO NAME is a new command that takes an IP address and
returns a hostname.

(plus other new features)

There are nine sample programs included with this 1.1 release of the TCP/IP
Scripting Addition.  You may look at these sample programs and write your
own based on these.  Most of the sample programs (all but the FrontMost
programs) are provided as both compiled scripts and text files (to ease
compatibility with AppleScript 1.0), but all the scripts have really only
been tested with AppleScript 1.1.

1. Drag and Drop FTP

Launch this Script Editor application by itself, then enter the destination
host, your account name on that host, the destination directory on that
host in which to store the files, then the type of file transfer you would
like (MacBinary, Text, or raw Binary). After the application quits, drag
any files onto the application. Enter your password and the files will be
transferred to the destination host using the FTP protocol.

2. Run and Get FTP

Launch this Script Editor application by itself and enter the FTP host,
your user-id on that host, the source directory on that host in which to
find the files, the type of file transfer you would like (MacBinary, Text,
or raw Binary), and into which directory on your Macintosh you would like
the files downloaded. Finally, enter your password and the files will be
transferred from the destination host using the FTP protocol.

3. FTP Send Client

This application is similar to the Script Editor Drag and Drop FTP
described above, except it uses a FrontMost (i.e. FaceSpan) interface to
set the file transfer parameters and it uses a progress bar to detail its
progress.

4. FTP Receive Client

This application is similar to the Script Editor Run and Get FTP described
above, except it uses a FrontMost (i.e. FaceSpan) interface to set the file
transfer parameters and it uses a progress bar to detail its progress.  Use
this and the previous sample script as backup and restore programs!

5. Baby Telnet

Run this Script Editor script and enter the hostname to which you would
like to Telnet. Then enter the type of terminal you would like to emulate
(I suggest sticking to VT100, but if you change this, enter it in all
caps). After a few moments (during which the script handles Telnet Options
Negotiations), Scriptable Text Editor will open and you will be presented
with the login message. This script will prompt you with a ">" prompt. Type
your text after the ">" and press return at the end of the line. Everything
the host sends to you will be surrounded by bracket characters ("[" and
"]").

6. Finger

Launch this application, then enter an internet host name and account to
check. This program will use the Finger protocol to get more information
about that account (like last login time, office phone number, etc). The
results are placed in a new Scriptable Text Editor window.

6. FrontMost Finger Client

This program is similar to the previous one, but uses a FrontMost interface.

7. Send Mail

Run this script, then enter your e-mail host, account, and a subject line
when prompted. This program will send a simple message to that account,
using the SMTP protocol.

8. Gopher Server

Drag this application to a folder containing text files, then launch the
application. The text files in its folder (and those in any subfolder) will
be made available through Gopher. Use Gopher to connect to your Macintosh
at port 70 (the default for Gopher) and start browsing.

9. Gopher Client

Gopher Client is a Gopher browser (like TurboGopher, Sextant, etc). For
full use, Gopher Client requires Scriptable Text Editor, JPEG View, the
TCP/IP Scripting Addition (osax). Gopher Client is a basic implementation
of a gopher client (just like TurboGopher).  However, it currently doesn't
support searching, Mac files, sound files, movies, or anything other than
folders, text files, and GIF files. The text files you read are limited to
32K (because the Gopher Client uses Scriptable Text Editor to show you the
text).  This limitation may not be present if you modify it to use another
scriptable word processor.


If you find any problems with the Scripting Addition or its documentation,
or if you have suggestions for future versions, please let me know.

Please take the time to read and follow the Licensing Information provided
with the package (I don't think it would be appropriate for me to mention
the various options and fees directly in this forum).  If you use the
TCP/IP Scripting Addition for your own personal use, the licensing fee is
FREE.  Otherwise, if you will be using the Scripting Addition for ANY
business, company, or university related task, or if you wish to distribute
the Scripting Addition, please read the Licensing Information document for
more details.  If you pay a licensing fee, I will send you the latest
version (without the registration reminders) and printed documentation.

Thank you very much for your continued support!


-- Atul

DISCLAIMER: This package has nothing to do with Brown University or the
Brown University School of Medicine.
+------------------------------------------------------------------
| Atul Butte (MD '95)
| Brown University School of Medicine
|
| [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 08:49:26 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      Scripts as direct objects - an AS oddity

Hi folks,

I'm just surfacing for air after completing the work to make
ScriptWizard version 1.1 (forthcoming - this is not an "announcement")
scriptable. It's something I noticed for the second time during this
project (it affected AgB too) and this note may save some time for
other developers (alternatively, you might be able to tell me what bit
of the AS documentation I missed the official explanation in :-) ).


Scripts as direct objects
-------------------------

If a scriptable application wants to receive a script as the direct
object of an Apple event message, the behavior of AppleScript might
not be exactly what one expected. For instance, if the name of the
AE message is "do to script" then this syntax seems OK:

  tell application "thingy"
        do to script script_object -- script_object is a script object
  end tell

But the above won't work: AppleScript will try to pass the "do to
script" message to the script_object directly, and won't dispatch it to
the application. So the script will fail with a message like:
        script <<script_object>> didn't understand "do to script"
It probably would work if the script object was being passed
as another named parameter of the Apple event, but not if the script
object is supposed to be passed as the direct object.

It _does_ work if you modify the syntax by adding a "script" keyword
before the reference to the script object, like so:

  tell application "thingy"
        do to script script script_object -- note the extra "script"
  end tell

Ugly! But it works by creating an object specifier that contains the
script object, and passing that as the direct object of the Apple event
message, which is correctly dispatched to the target application. The
object specifier looks like this:

        key form: absolute position
        want type: script
        key data: the script object
        container: null

Which means that the application that receives the message must be
able to cope with object specifiers that contain actual data, as well
as ospecs that describe application-domain objects.

Advanced note: There is an execute-time "mode flag" in AppleScript 1.1
that should block the above-described dispatching behavior but since
the Apple Script Editor doesn't use it, our ScriptWizard can't use it
either (I think the flag's kOSAModeDontDispatchToDirectObject).


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        || UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||   fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               || US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||   fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 05:42:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> How can I strip trailing return/blank lines from a string

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Sun, Sep 18, 1994 ------
Neil Christie wrote
> I have tried various ways to strip trailing returns/blank lines from a
> string x, usually along the lines of:

> while last paragraph of x is ""
> set x to paragraphs 1 thru ((count paragraphs in x) - 1) of x
> end while

> I think that's how in went, I then get erros of can't get last paragraph os
> and then the lines of the script in separate speech brackets. Adding set
> AppleScript's text item delimiters to ... or as text as string etc doesn't
> help. I've tried various other things but none of them work.

I'am still not straight on text item delimiters, but I got this to work. Your
major problem is you forgot to tell it to save para 1 thru x " as string"

set origDelim to AppleScript's text item delimiters
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {return}
set x to "line one and a" & return & "line two and a" & return & |_
"" & return & "line three" & return & return
display dialog x & (count paragraphs in x)
repeat while last paragraph of x is ""
        set x to paragraphs 1 thru ((count paragraphs in x) - 1) of x as string
end repeat
display dialog x & (count paragraphs in x)
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to origDelim

Steve Alex
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:20:31 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Price <[e-mail]>
Subject:      unsubscribe

Please send info on how to unsubscribe to this group
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:01:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Disabling cancel (cmd-.) possible?

I don't think there's a perfect solution for disabling Command/., but here
is an idea.  Use a TRY/ON ERROR block to ignore Command/. (userCanceledErr)
and place that within a while loop.

set stillRunning to true
repeat while strillRunning = true
    try
            -- do length uninteruptable operation
            set stillRunning to false
    on error
    end try
end repeat

This way, single Command/. keys will be caught and ignored.  The problem is
that quick multiple Command/. keys may get noticed by AS.

I checked this out on my system and it works quite well.

Just a thought
-Mark
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:07:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ANNOUNCING TCP/IP SCRIPTING ADDITION 1.1 (LONG)
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:34:56 CDT"

>I am now sending a new version of the TCP/IP Scripting Addition (version
>1.1) to the gaea.kgs.ukans.edu AppleScript archives.  I think Fred Terry
>will post a message when it becomes accessible.

You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/tcpip-addition-1-1.sea.hqx

Have fun.

pf
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:45:01 -0800
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 13:40:23 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Personal Online Source
Subject:      Disabling cancel (cmd-.) possible? [A]

>Is there a way to temporarily disable canceling the execution of a >script?
>There is a point in a script for a very brief period of time (less than >two
seconds) that could cause loss of data for the user if they >cancelled.It's
not likely they'll cancel at that point but it is possible.

To catch it you can use  a "TRY"-"ON ERROR" Handler. The arguments in the ON
ERROR line can help you to locate the interupted script part.

Andreas

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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 10:01:24 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Checking a Frontier tabl

        Reply to:   RE>Checking a Frontier table
>I would like to find a script that when pass a table address and a value,
>checks to see if the value is equal to any element of the table. I'm sure
>someone has had to write this, and I don't have the time, and even want
>to re-invent the wheel.
>
> Thanks.
> Shawn Connelly


    The "defined" verb does exactly what you want.  It takes one argument:
the address whose existance you want to confirm.

--Richard Petty

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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:33:03 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Harf <ccmail.kenan.com![e-mail]>
Subject:      Using XCMDs with AppleScript

     I downloaded from a local bulletin board a copy of "XCMD OSAX" version
     1.0 a11 (dated July 8,1993) with some sparse documentation.  Is a more
     recent version available?  Where can I get more information about "XCMD
     OSAX"?  What have people thought of this tool?  Apparently this osax from
     Apple allows some XCMDs to be used directly with AppleScript.  I was
     thinking of trying the Comm Toolbox XCMDs (also from Apple) with
     AppleScript.  Any thoughts, suggestions?

     - Steve Harf
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 12:13:56 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How can I tell FileMaker Pro to tell my app to do s'thing

>Sorry if this is simple but none of the examples that came with FileMaker
>Pro 2.0 or those on gaea seem to cover this. For example if I save a
>script:
>
>on foo()
>display dialog "Warning Text" buttons "Ok" default button "Ok" with icon no=
te
>end foo
>
>as stay open with a name of "Test app" and launch it from the desktop then
>create a separate script with the text: tell application "Test app" to
>foo()
>
>then foo is run. How do I do this from FileMaker Pro 2.0 entering it in the
>script text box doesn't work nor doest playing with the pop-up menu above.
>Do I have to define the type of apple event?
>

1. Upgrade to Filemaker 2.1 (v2 or v3 preferably)

2. In Filemaker make a script which sends an applevent.  Select other.
Specify event class (I use FMPX) and a four letter event ID.

3. In applescript add the following to your script

on =ABevent FMPXSPEC=BB
        foo()
end =ABevent FMPXSPEC=BB

on foo()
...
end foo

where SPEC is a sample event ID and =AB is option-\ and =BB is option-shift-=
\.

That should do it.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hosptial For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:15:09 --100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stefania Castellani <[e-mail]>
Subject:      problems with Script Wizard 1.0

Hi everybody,

I was starting to use Script Wizard 1.0, and that is what's happened.....

I opened a script, which is actually an application, with Script Wizard 1.0.
I made some changes (not very dangerous, I thought...) closing then the script.

After that I was not able anymore to reopen the script neither
with Script Wizard or Script Editor.

The first returned me the following error message:
"I cannot open "the file" because of a program error"
The second the following error message:
"Could not read the file because the required resources were not found".

And apparently one of them changed the size of the script.

Moreover I am using an Hypercard interface that calls this script, but when
I try to do it I have a message like "resources not found".

A disaster....
Fortunally I have a safe copy of this script and of the Hypercard application,
but I should like to understand what's happened to avoid such a situation in
the future.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Stefania
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 11:17:53 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripts as direct objects - an AS oddity

>AppleScript will try to pass the "do to
>script" message to the script_object directly, and won't dispatch it to
>the application.

I'm going over the QuarkXpress scripting docs, and I see that they claim to
be able to handle this.  The example they provide is:

script theRealScript
  tell app "QuarkXpress"
    -- script statements
  end tell
end script

tell app "QuarkXpress"
  do script (theRealScript)
end tell

The claim is that the script "is processed completely within the
application."  Is that what you're trying to do?  Haven't tested it yet.

Danny
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 10:47:25 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Checking a Frontier tabl

        Reply to:   RE>Checking a Frontier table
>>I would like to find a script that when pass a table address and a value,
>>checks to see if the value is equal to any element of the table. I'm sure
>>someone has had to write this, and I don't have the time, and even want
>>to re-invent the wheel.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Shawn Connelly
>
>
>   The "defined" verb does exactly what you want.  It takes one argument:
>the address whose existance you want to confirm.
>
>--Richard Petty

MY MISTAKE!!!  I misunderstood your question!

You'll need to write this yourself.  Of this I'm sure.  The nice thing is,
it's a rather trivial script.


on TableContains (TableToTest, TestValue) {
        local (TableIndex);
        for TableIndex = 1 to sizeOf (TableToTest^) {
                if TableToTest^[TableIndex] == TestValue {
                        return (true)}};
        return (false)};

dialog.alert (TableContains (@root.newsTable, "Mark"))


    This can be made more robust, of course.  I included the calling
statement (dialog.notify) to show it being used.

    Sorry for the gaff...

--Richard Petty
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:05:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Using AppleScript text delimiters

I have noticed that I don''t have quite the control over text delimiters as
I would like. I am essentiall trying to do something a bit like strtok().

For example, I am parsing strings like the following:

set oldDelimiters to delimiters of AppleScript to " "
set AppleScript's delimiters to " "
set s to "bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz ( xyzzy plugh"
get words of s
set AppleScript's delimiters to oldDelimiters

to return something like:

        {"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(", "xyzzy", "plugh"}

But I get:

{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C", "\\", "foo", "\\", "bar.baz", "xyzzy", "plugh"}

It seems impossible to turn of this interpretation as text delimiters for
characters like "\:("" but it seems like "." is OK in a word!

The AppleScript langauge guide seems to imply that the original intention
was to provide a list of delimiters but there is no mention of what the
default set is or how to override it. Currently only the first of which
works in addition to the standard set.

Any suggestions?

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:06:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New AppleScript books

I ntoiced in MacTech J Aug 1994 an ad from M&T books for a new AS book
comeing in September:

Applied Apple Scripting by Thomas Trinko
Disk/book $35
ISBN 1-55851-330-7

Anyone seen this one yet?

Also whats the status of "Everyday AppleScript". When is it due to be published?

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 12:20:30 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using AppleScript text delimiters
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Kevin Purcell" at Sep 20, 94 09:05:56 am

--Kevin Purcell wrote:
>
>For example, I am parsing strings like the following:
>
>set oldDelimiters to delimiters of AppleScript to " "
>set AppleScript's delimiters to " "
>set s to "bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz ( xyzzy plugh"
>get words of s
>set AppleScript's delimiters to oldDelimiters

    I hope you are actually stating "text item delimiters" and not just
delimiters in your script. If you aren't, this won't even compile.

>to return something like:
>
>        {"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(", "xyzzy", "plugh"}
>
>But I get:
>
>{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C", "\\", "foo", "\\", "bar.baz", "xyzzy", "plugh"}
>
>It seems impossible to turn of this interpretation as text delimiters for
>characters like "\:("" but it seems like "." is OK in a word!

    Your problem in the script is you are asking for "words of s." The
class word isn't effect by the text item delimiters. If you want to get
the result you are looking for you have to get the "text items of s."
This tells AppleScript to look at the current setting of the text item
delimiters and parse the string accordingly.

>The AppleScript langauge guide seems to imply that the original intention
>was to provide a list of delimiters but there is no mention of what the
>default set is or how to override it. Currently only the first of which
>works in addition to the standard set.

    Unfortunately, AppleScript only looks at the first item from a list
of delimiters. Hopefully, this is something that will be fixed in the
future. As for the default set, AppleScript defines it's standard text
item delimiter to {""}. Which means each character in a string is a text
item.

-Hades
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 10:00:13 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Disabling cancel (cmd-.) possible?

I don't like answering myself, but...in response to this:
>>Is there a way to temporarily disable canceling the execution of a script?
>>There is a point in a script for a very brief period of time (less than two
>>seconds) that could cause loss of data for the user if they cancelled. It's
>>not likely they'll cancel at that point but it is possible.
>

I previously said this:
>I can't think of any.  If you can't redo the script so that the data loss
>is impossible, you may have to move the dangerous operations into a
>Scripting Addition or a small application, where you would have more
>control.

But...command-. is under the control of the frontmost application.  If
something other than the script application is in front, it seems unlikely
that hitting command-. will cancel a running script.  Finder is generally
fairly benign with respect to command-. (although if your script uses the
Finder to do things, you would want to verify that moving Finder to the
front would be safe).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 10:00:22 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Checking a Frontier table

>                 Checking a Frontier table
>I would like to find a script that when pass a table address and a value,
>checks to see if the value is equal to any element of the table. I'm sure
>someone has had to write this, and I don't have the time, and even want to
>re-invent the wheel.

Shawn,
   The findValue script below returns a list of names of cells in a table
which contain a value.  However, this form does its best to coerce each
cell to the type of the passed value (or the reverse, in some cases).  That
may not be what you want.  The findValue2 script checks for the type before
checking for equal values.

   Each script tested only "lightly".  The ^ characters are important.  If
you just want to find out whether at least one cell matches, the changes
are fairly obvious:  ditch the result list, return true if the test passes,
return false at the end of the script.

on findValue (adr, val) =AB find val in table at adr
    if typeOf (adr^) !=3D tableType
        scriptError ("Please pass the address of a table as the first param"=
)
    local (ix, result =3D {})
    for ix =3D 1 to sizeof (adr^)
        if adr^[ix] =3D=3D val
            result =3D result + nameOf (adr^[ix])
    return (result)
on findValue2 (adr, val) =AB find val in table at adr
    if typeOf (adr^) !=3D tableType
        scriptError ("Please pass the address of a table as the first param"=
)
    local (ix, result =3D {}, itsType =3D typeOf (val))
    for ix =3D 1 to sizeof (adr^)
        if typeOf (adr^[ix]) =3D=3D itsType && adr^[ix] =3D=3D val
            result =3D result + nameOf (adr^[ix])
    return (result)

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 12:20:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Frankovitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 18 Sep 1994 to 19 Sep 1994
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Automatic digest processor" at Sep 20,
              94 00:00:13 am

>
> Date:    Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:34:34 -0700
> From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Disabling cancel (cmd-.) possible?
>
> >Is there a way to temporarily disable canceling the execution of a script?
> >There is a point in a script for a very brief period of time (less than two
> >seconds) that could cause loss of data for the user if they cancelled. It's
> >not likely they'll cancel at that point but it is possible.
>
> I can't think of any.  If you can't redo the script so that the data loss
> is impossible, you may have to move the dangerous operations into a
> Scripting Addition or a small application, where you would have more
> control.
>    --John
>
> --
> [e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
>

Can't you use a try... on error handler and trap -128 ("user
cancelled")?

Jason
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 10:24:32 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Cooperating with apps

Greetings,

Sometime back I wrote about switching application contexts:

        >Is there a more robust way of accomplishing a context switch?

        Given the Scriptable Finder, yes.  This should do the trick:

        tell application "Finder"
            set frontmost of process "Premiere @ 18Mb" to true
        end tell

        Without the Scriptable Finder, there may well be an osax (or 10)...I
        haven't looked.

In my situation I am developing for a studio which does not have the option of
getting the scriptable finder until (at earliest) Xmas break.  So, the question
remains unanswered.  In the absence of the scriptable finder, is there a robust
way of achieving context switches?

Thanks.

Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 11:07:12 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripts as direct objects - an AS oddity

Danny Goodman writes...

>>AppleScript will try to pass the "do to
>>script" message to the script_object directly, and won't dispatch it to
>>the application.
>
>I'm going over the QuarkXpress scripting docs, and I see that they claim to
>be able to handle this.  The example they provide is:
>
>script theRealScript
>  tell app "QuarkXpress"
>    -- script statements
>  end tell
>end script
>
>tell app "QuarkXpress"
>  do script (theRealScript)
>end tell
>
>The claim is that the script "is processed completely within the
>application."  Is that what you're trying to do?  Haven't tested it yet.

Quark (in the form of Dave Shaver) extended the Miscellaneous suite Do
Script event in a couple of ways.

First, if the direct object is a string (as it usually is), there is an
optional second parameter (terminology "script type", code 'XSCT') which
gives the id of the scripting component (default is AppleScript) to pass
the script text to.  So one could say

tell app "QuarkXPress"
   do script "msg (\"Hi, there\")" script type "LAND"
end tell

to run that little script as a Frontier script.

Second, the direct object may be a script object, as noted above.

Third...I believe that if the direct object is an alias, the file referred
to can be a file containing a script resource in the usual form.  [That's
from memory.]

I like those extensions...the 'misc'/'dosc' handler in my copy of Frontier
implements much the same extensions (I haven't released that to the world
yet).
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 11:07:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using AppleScript text delimiters

>I have noticed that I don''t have quite the control over text delimiters as
>I would like. I am essentiall trying to do something a bit like strtok().
>
>For example, I am parsing strings like the following:
>
>set oldDelimiters to delimiters of AppleScript to " "
>set AppleScript's delimiters to " "
>set s to "bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz ( xyzzy plugh"
>get words of s
>set AppleScript's delimiters to oldDelimiters
>
>to return something like:
>
>        {"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(", "xyzzy", "plugh"}
>
>But I get:
>
>{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C", "\\", "foo", "\\", "bar.baz", "xyzzy", "plugh"}
>
>It seems impossible to turn of this interpretation as text delimiters for
>characters like "\:("" but it seems like "." is OK in a word!
>
>The AppleScript langauge guide seems to imply that the original intention
>was to provide a list of delimiters but there is no mention of what the
>default set is or how to override it. Currently only the first of which
>works in addition to the standard set.

1.  The text item delimiters delimit text items.  [Parsing aide:  The "text
item delimiters" delimit "text items".]  They are also used as breaks when
AppleScript coerces a list to a string.  They do not delimit words.

2.  AppleScript's default text item delimiters are {""}.

3.  AppleScript through version 1.1 ignores every element of its text item
delimiters except for the first.  I've also seen this on real or virtual
paper, but can't point to where.

4.  Scriptable Text Editor's default text item delimiters are {","} (page
319 of AppleScript Language Guide).

  I think I've seen items 2 and 3 on virtual or real paper from Apple, but
I can't point to it.  They can be determined experimentally.  And how would
the breaking of coerced lists be handled by some future AppleScript version
which uses the whole list???

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:59:37 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      Re: problems with Script Wizard 1.0

Stefania:

In Regards to your letter <"relay1.pip.456:20.08.94.18.02.22"@pipex.net>:
> I was starting to use Script Wizard 1.0, and that is what's happened.....
>
> I opened a script, which is actually an application, with Script Wizard 1.0.
> I made some changes (not very dangerous, I thought...) closing then the
 script.
>
> After that I was not able anymore to reopen the script neither
> with Script Wizard or Script Editor.

We've not seen a message from you on our technical support e-mail
account; I apologise if a message from you is already on its way to us.

Can you e-mail us a bin-hexed copy of the script application, _and_ of
the damaged file, so we can try to find out what went wrong?

Also, can you tell us your system configuration?

This is not a "known problem" but of course we take it _very_ seriously.


best regards, Paul

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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:12:06 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      Re: Scripts as direct objects - an AS oddity

Hi Danny,

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> >AppleScript will try to pass the "do to
> >script" message to the script_object directly, and won't dispatch it to
> >the application.
>
> I'm going over the QuarkXpress scripting docs, and I see that they claim to
> be able to handle this.  The example they provide is:
>
> script theRealScript
>   tell app "QuarkXpress"
>     -- script statements
>   end tell
> end script
>
> tell app "QuarkXpress"
>   do script (theRealScript)
> end tell
>
> The claim is that the script "is processed completely within the
> application."  Is that what you're trying to do?  Haven't tested it yet.

I don't have Quark XPress so I can't try it myself, but my claim is
indeed that this will not send the "do script" event to the app in AS
1.1. I think that the "do script" message will be dispatched directly
to the script and never sent to XPress. (If it does work in XPress, I
need to take a look at the XPress aete and scripting size resiources in
case they are using a flag to trigger different behavior, because that
also suggests that we will be able to fix the problem in SW too.)

It will work as documented in the XPress docs with AS 1.0, and it would
even have worked that way until well into the AS 1.1 alpha test period
(I _think_ the change was made in the AS 1.1a4q4 build, shortly before
beta, because that was when the new mode flag was added.)


best regards, Paul

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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:03:25 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using AppleScript text delimiters

I tried fooling about with the text items but got some silly results. I
guess I didn't try this combination.

Rewriting the script to remove typos and incorporate suggestions gives:

set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to " "
set s to "bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz ( xyzzy plugh"
set ti to text items of s
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to oldDelimiters
ti

this returns:

{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(", "xyzzy", "plugh"}

Which is close enough.

Thanks to Brian and John.

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:26:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Atul Butte <[e-mail]>
Organization: Brown University School of Medicine
Subject:      Re: Where can I find the TCP/IP osax?

>I am now sending a new version of the TCP/IP Scripting Addition (version
>1.1) to the gaea.kgs.ukans.edu AppleScript archives.  I think Fred Terry
>will post a message when it becomes accessible.

You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/tcpip-addition-1-1.sea.hqx

+-----------------
Atul Butte
Brown University School of Medicine
[e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:27:00 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Atul Butte <[e-mail]>
Organization: Brown University School of Medicine
Subject:      Re: [?] on TCP/IP osax

In article <[e-mail]>, you wrote:

> I just tried out the TCP/IP osax with the Send Mail sample script.  It
> worked great.
>
> My question is:  Can I include a subject?  If I can, how can it be
> incorporated into the Send Mail script.
>

Check out the new version just posted on gaea... the sample mail script now
includes a subject line!

>I am now sending a new version of the TCP/IP Scripting Addition (version
>1.1) to the gaea.kgs.ukans.edu AppleScript archives.  I think Fred Terry
>will post a message when it becomes accessible.

You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/tcpip-addition-1-1.sea.hqx

+-----------------
Atul Butte
Brown University School of Medicine
[e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:41:44 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Alec Plumb <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 and notifying applications...

>
>on notify(messages)
>display dialog (class of messages)
>end
>
>It returns "scrpt", and not "list" as it should. I don't know if this is a
>bug in the Eudora Notification OSAX or not... I noticed the bizarre fact
>that the OSAX is called "notify", not "notice" as well. That may, in fact,
>be the problem. The author may have simply written an OSAX for simple
>notification, and not notification with parameters... I'll write to him and
>find out.
>
>Steve Dorner replied to my question about exactly what parameters the
>notification sends by quoting the dictionary entry above. That leads me to
>believe that it is, in fact, the OSAX which is not sending along the proper
>parameters... I'll keep you posted.
>

Well, I canibalized the Eudora Announcer script, which does not require the
Eudora Notification OSAX, removed the Eudora Notification OSAX, and with
the following script:

on =ABevent CSOmeNot=BB (theNewMessages)
        display dialog (class of theNewMessages)
end =ABevent CSOmeNot=BB

I also got a result of "scrpt".  So I don't think the problem is with the
osax.  The unmolested Eudora Announcer also does not seem to do anything
except get lanuched with my setup.  (Eudora 2.1, System 7.5 with all the
required OSAXes in place.)

Has anybody successfully written a script to handle Eudora 2.1
notifications?  I just got my spiffy new pager and can't wait to get Eudora
melded with Notify! to satisfy my compulsive need to be wired in.


Alec Plumb        \\  W:619/534-8166  \\
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Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:12:10 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Weingarten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      unsubscribe

david weingarten
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:32:07 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Kearney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sending clipboard to Eudora via AppleScript

The following text should be pasted into an AppleScript document.  It will
let you take the current contents of the clipboard and paste it into a new
text message in Eudora.  The requirements are the OSAX Jon's Commands and
the GTQ Scripting Library.  They're on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.  They must
reside on the sending machine, as should this script.  You might also want
to use the OSAX menu extension, also on gaea, to add this to your menu bar.


Basically, I run Eudora on a PowerBook.  I develop on another machine.  The
development machine has a nasty tendency to get trashed and I don't like
taking Eudora with it!  So I always ended up retyping code snippets and
such from the dev machine over to the PB.  I wrote this to make that
process MUCH easier.

I don't know what rev Eudora it requires, I tried it using 2.1.

It's not perfect, since it requires you hard code the target machine,
username and password.  Not a problem in my circumstances, but your's may
vary.  As soon as I get the hang of saving pseudo-preferences via
AppleScript I'll add that feature.  Meanwhile, at least it works!

It does NO real error checking.  Don't use it unless you know the target
machine's going to be there.

Since I write a bunch of Newton shareware, this too, is shareware.  If you
like it, please send $5 to:

Bill Kearney
P.O.Box 201
Lutherville, MD 21093

If you don't wanna pay, at least e-mail me some thanks!

Enjoy!


--(Code follows now)


-- These two lines are hard-coded to my Eudora machine.  You should edit
them to reflect your configuration
-- As soon as I learn how, I'll set up some sort of user prefs.

set myApp to application "Eudora" of machine "Monster Mash"
set refInfo to (login as "Bill Kearney" password "Bill")

set theText to the clipboard

display dialog "Send the clipboard to what e-mail address?" default answer =
=AC
        "" buttons {"OK", "Cancel"} default button "OK" with icon stop
copy the result to theResult
if the button returned of theResult is "Cancel" then
        return
end if
copy the text returned of theResult to theAddress

display dialog "Using what subject?" default answer =AC
        "" buttons {"Queue", "Create", "Cancel"} default button "Create" with ic
on =
stop
copy the result to theResult
if the button returned of theResult is "Cancel" then
        return
else if the button returned of theResult is "Queue" then
        set theQueue to true
else if the button returned of theResult is "Create" then
        set theQueue to false
end if
copy the text returned of theResult to theSubject

tell application "Eudora" of machine "Monster Mash"
=09
        set newMsg to make new message at end of mailbox "Out" in mail folder ""
        set field "To:" of newMsg to theAddress
        set field "Subject:" of newMsg to theSubject
        set field "" of newMsg to theText
=09
        if theQueue then
                queue newMsg
        end if
=09
end tell

logout refInfo

--(End of Code)


Bill Kearney      | [e-mail]                | copyright 199=
4
Baltimore, MD USA | http://www.digex.net/~wkearney/          | W.G.Kearney
[phone]    | ftp://ftp.digex.net/pub/access/wkearney/ |
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:20:58 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: New AppleScript books

>I ntoiced in MacTech J Aug 1994 an ad from M&T books for a new AS book
>comeing in September:
>
>Applied Apple Scripting by Thomas Trinko
>Disk/book $35
>ISBN 1-55851-330-7
>
>Anyone seen this one yet?

I suspect the M&T ad will turn out to have been a trifle optimistic in
saying "September".  They wanted some revisions to the book (as compared
with the prior publisher, who bailed out near the end of the process).
Note the space in the name between "Apple" and "Scripting"...the book
discusses (at least) AppleScript and Frontier.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 20 Sep 1994 14:43:05 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Shawn Connelly <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Checking a Frontier tab

                 RE>>Checking a Frontier tabl
Thanks for the help.

--------------------------------------
Date: 9/20/94 2:27 PM
To: Shawn Connelly
From: Macintosh Scripting Systems
        Reply to:   RE>Checking a Frontier table
>>I would like to find a script that when pass a table address and a
value,
>>checks to see if the value is equal to any element of the table. I'm
sure
>>someone has had to write this, and I don't have the time, and even want
>>to re-invent the wheel.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Shawn Connelly
>
>
>   The "defined" verb does exactly what you want.  It takes one argument:
>the address whose existance you want to confirm.
>
>--Richard Petty

MY MISTAKE!!!  I misunderstood your question!

You'll need to write this yourself.  Of this I'm sure.  The nice thing is,
it's a rather trivial script.


on TableContains (TableToTest, TestValue) {
        local (TableIndex);
        for TableIndex = 1 to sizeOf (TableToTest^) {
                if TableToTest^[TableIndex] == TestValue {
                        return (true)}};
        return (false)};

dialog.alert (TableContains (@root.newsTable, "Mark"))


    This can be made more robust, of course.  I included the calling
statement (dialog.notify) to show it being used.

    Sorry for the gaff...

--Richard Petty



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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:46:22 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Personal Online Source
Subject:      Problem with comparing Strings!

Does anybody know why this script doesnot work as expect.
"SUBFOLDER"="SUBFOLDER" should be TRUE!

set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
repeat with x in argl
        log (class of x)
        log (x)
        log ("SUBFOLDER" = x)
end repeat

Eventprotokoll: (*string*)(*mist*)(*false*)(*string*)(*SUBFOLDER*)(*false*)(*str
ing*)(*TEXT*)(*false*)

The solution is: (but I do not know why!!)
set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
repeat with x in argl
        log (class of x)
        log (x)
        log ("SUBFOLDER" = (x as string)) -- you have to covert the "String" x t
o a
"String" !!
end repeat

Thanx
Andreas


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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:51:20 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem with comparing Strings!
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" at Sep 21, 94 09:46:22 am

--Andreas Heissenberger wrote:
>
>Does anybody know why this script doesnot work as expect.
>"SUBFOLDER"="SUBFOLDER" should be TRUE!
>
>set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
>repeat with x in argl
>        log (class of x)
>        log (x)
>        log ("SUBFOLDER" = x)
>end repeat

    You need to go and get your AppleScript Language Guide (English
Dialect) off of the bookshelf, and turn it to page 202. This is the
section that talks about the "Repeat With (loop Variable) In (list)"
control statement. For those of you that have another AS book, I'm sure
there is a similar section to look up. You need to access the contents
of the loop variable if you want to work with it's actual value.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:53:30 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using AppleScript text delimiters
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Kevin Purcell" at Sep 20, 94 03:03:25 pm

--Kevin Purcell wrote:
>
>set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
>set AppleScript's text item delimiters to " "
>set s to "bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz ( xyzzy plugh"
>set ti to text items of s
>set AppleScript's text item delimiters to oldDelimiters
>ti
>
>this returns:
>
>{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(", "xyzzy", "plugh"}
>
>Which is close enough.

    Just out of curiosity, what would you like to have returned in the
list variable? It seems obvious to me that you have asked AppleScript to
parse a string based on it's whitespace. You got exactly the result you
should have for the string you parsed.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 07:04:13 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andrew T. Johnston" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE>Problem with comparing Strings!

Hi,

"Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]> writes:
> Does anybody know why this script doesnot work as expect.
> "SUBFOLDER"="SUBFOLDER" should be TRUE!

> set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
> repeat with x in argl
>         log (class of x)
>         log (x)
>         log ("SUBFOLDER" = x)
> end repeat

This is a bit tricky, and the log is a bit misleading in this case. For
every iteration of your loop, 'x' is a _reference_ to an item in 'argl'. I
guess the log is resolving all the references, where the equality operation
is not. This makes your comparison of "SUBFOLDER" = (item 2 of argl), which
is false because "SUBFOLDER" is not a reference to item 2 of 'argl'.

> The solution is: (but I do not know why!!)
[...]
>        log ("SUBFOLDER" = (x as string))
[...]

This works because it resolves the reference (item 2 of argl), and returns
the string "SUBFOLDER", making the comparison true.

To see this reference stuff in action, run this script:

  set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
  repeat with x in argl
        x
  end repeat


Look at the result. The Script Editor tells me it is:

  item 3 of {"mist", "SUBFOLDER", "TEXT"}


I've run into this one a few times myself.

Hope that helps,
  Andrew

------------------
Andrew T. Johnston
Apple Canada, Inc.
[e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 07:15:57 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Problem with comparing Strings!

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Wed, Sep 21, 1994 ------

>Does anybody know why this script doesnot work as expect.
>"SUBFOLDER"="SUBFOLDER" should be TRUE!

>set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
>repeat with x in argl
        log (class of x)
        log (x)
        log ("SUBFOLDER" = x)
>end repeat

>Eventprotokoll:
(*string*)(*mist*)(*false*)(*string*)(*SUBFOLDER*)(*false*)(*string*)(*TEXT*)(*f
alse*)


if you do the following

set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
repeat with x in argl
        x
end repeat


the result in the show results window is
item 3 of {"mist", "SUBFOLDER", "TEXT"}

Log and result must do thing differently!
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:17:38 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cooperating with apps

>In the absence of the scriptable finder, is there a robust
>way of achieving context switches?

With the PreFab Player product (which I recommend to fill scripting gaps in
any app) comes an XCMD called appMenu, which lets you call the Applications
menu.  This XCMD was created by UserLand, so it may be available from their
forum libraries on various services or ftp sites.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:41:38 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul Gerardi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: driver for print to disk?

>I have fax software that will autoprint incoming faxes. I would like to
>save incoming faxes to disk in a TIFF format. I can use FolderWatcher to
>note when new files appear and then I can process them with other
>AppleScript applications.
>
>Anyone know of a printer driver that saves to disk as TIFF? Actually I
>suppose I could use any file format that is common and I could convert it
>to a format readable by OCR but I assume TIFF is probably best.
>
>Kee Nethery
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA

Kee,

There is a PD/Shareware utility called Print2Pic that is a chooser
pseudo-printer that will print to a PICT file. Should do what you need.
I believe it's available from info-mac and its mirrors (I think that's
where I got it from...)

It also has plug-ins that support printing to "postcards", self running
doc files; and QuickTime movies among other things.  Could be useful for
you for other things besides your initial query.

Regards,
-Paul


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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 08:56:46 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Using AppleScript text delimiters

>--Kevin Purcell wrote:
>>
>>set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
>>set AppleScript's text item delimiters to " "
>>set s to "bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz ( xyzzy plugh"
>>set ti to text items of s
>>set AppleScript's text item delimiters to oldDelimiters
>>ti
>>
>>this returns:
>>
>>{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(", "xyzzy", "plugh"}
>>
>>Which is close enough.
>
>    Just out of curiosity, what would you like to have returned in the
>list variable? It seems obvious to me that you have asked AppleScript to
>parse a string based on it's whitespace. You got exactly the result you
>should have for the string you parsed.
>
>-Hades

I simplified the problem for the list. In the real world I can get strings like:

"bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz (xyzzy plugh"
"bingo foo bar C:\\foo\\bar.baz ( xyzzy plugh"

The above code gives:

{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(xyzzy", "plugh"}
{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "(", "xyzzy", "plugh"}

If I could use more than one text item delimiter, like so:

to tokenize(aString)
set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {" ", "("}
set tokens to text items of aString
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to oldDelimiters
return tokens
end


I would get a result more to my liking in this case:

{"bingo", "foo", "bar", "C:\\foo\\bar.baz", "xyzzy", "plugh"}

Rather than having to shift out the "(" at a later point (which roughs up
the code).

One idea that was brought up in the develop issue 10 article about Apple
script was the cocept that you should be able to think what you want and
write the code straight from that thought, rather than translating into
some algorithmic work around.

But I suppose I get what I deserve if I try to parse strings with a DOS
filename in them :-)

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 08:56:55 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem with comparing Strings!

>Does anybody know why this script doesnot work as expect.
>"SUBFOLDER"="SUBFOLDER" should be TRUE!
>
>set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
>repeat with x in argl
>        log (class of x)
>        log (x)
>        log ("SUBFOLDER" = x)
>end repeat
>
>Eventprotokoll:
>(*string*)(*mist*)(*false*)(*string*)(*SUBFOLDER*)(*false*)(*string*)(*TEXT*)(*
>false*)

Because x in a repeat with loop is a reference to the item of interest not
the item itself:

To see this run this one:

set argl to words of "mist SUBFOLDER TEXT"
repeat with x in argl
        set r to x
end repeat
r

gives the result:

item 3 of {"mist", "SUBFOLDER", "TEXT"}

rather than:

"TEXT"

The "class of" gives you the class of the object the thing is a reference to.

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:29:17 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Data <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: driver for print to disk?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

> >I have fax software that will autoprint incoming faxes. I would like to
> >save incoming faxes to disk in a TIFF format. I can use FolderWatcher to
> >note when new files appear and then I can process them with other
> >AppleScript applications.
> >
> >Anyone know of a printer driver that saves to disk as TIFF? Actually I
> >suppose I could use any file format that is common and I could convert it
> >to a format readable by OCR but I assume TIFF is probably best.

you can use Print2Pict. and then use JPEGView's droplet converter to
convert em to tiffs.

hope that helps

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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:38:40 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cooperating with apps
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:17:38 EDT"

>>In the absence of the scriptable finder, is there a robust
>>way of achieving context switches?
>
>With the PreFab Player product (which I recommend to fill scripting gaps in
>any app) comes an XCMD called appMenu, which lets you call the Applications
>menu.  This XCMD was created by UserLand, so it may be available from their
>forum libraries on various services or ftp sites.
>
>Danny Goodman

Don't know if it's the same one, but you'll find it on

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/App_Menu_OSAX.sit.hqx

Cheers.

pf
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:42:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jerry Ballard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Need Find & Replace Addition

Does anyone know the location of a Scripting Addition that will perform bulk
replacement of character(s), i.e. replace all occurances of character "x"
with character "y" in a string.  (I currently do it with a script, but need
something faster.)

-tks
Jerry Ballard
Farallon Computing Inc.
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:33:22 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jim Mueller <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Getting current printer info

 Is there a way to find out what a Mac's current printer is if it's on
LaserWriter 8.*? Earlier drivers appear to have kept the printer name in a
resource, but I can't find it now in either the LaserWriter 8 driver,
LaserWriter 8 Prefs or the Printer Descriptions themselves.

 (I wish the Chooser would highlight the currently selected driver too, but
that's probably just me.)



Background:

 I am trying to script a print station app where a mac with a serial label
printer (Brother P-Touch PC) connected will check to see if a print file
has showed up in a mounted UNIX directory (courtesy of CAP60), change the
printer to the serial printer, read the file with QuicKeys' Display Text,
print it to the label printer, **switch the printer back to what it was
before**, then delete the file in the UNIX directory.
 I know the app "lpDaemon" is suposed to make a printer on a networked mac
available to the UNIX lpr command, but I havn't been able to get it to work
yet (currently e-mailing (conversing via e-mail) with the author), so I
need a fallback.

-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-^^^^-
Jim Mueller   Pharmacopeia Inc.  [phone]
[e-mail]
LAN Manager / Software Engineering / Graphic Arts / Mechanical Engineering
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:25:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Disabling cancel (cmd-.) possible?

> >Is there a way to temporarily disable canceling the execution of a
> >script? There is a point in a script for a very brief period of
> >time (less than two seconds) that could cause loss of data for the
> >user if they cancelled. It's not likely they'll cancel at that point
> >but it is possible.
>
> I can't think of any.  If you can't redo the script so that the data
> loss is impossible, you may have to move the dangerous operations into a
> Scripting Addition or a small application, where you would have
> more control.
>    --John

I have rewritten the script so that it updates a temp file that then replaces
the current status file only after being fully updated. This works fine in
most cases such as power loss, crashes, cancelling, etc. There are still
minor "holes" in the script where the user could lose data but it is much
less likely now.

The only other problem of not being able to handle cancels is that I can't
keep my log accurate then since I can't write to log the in the event of the
user cancelling. If there is a way to get around this problem I'd love to
know how.

Thanks,

Greg
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:14:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cooperating with apps

Fred Terry <[e-mail]> writes:

>>>In the absence of the scriptable finder, is there a robust
>>>way of achieving context switches?
>>
>>With the PreFab Player product (which I recommend to fill scripting gaps in
>>any app) comes an XCMD called appMenu, which lets you call the Applications
>>menu.  This XCMD was created by UserLand, so it may be available from their
>>forum libraries on various services or ftp sites.
>>
>>Danny Goodman
>
>Don't know if it's the same one, but you'll find it on
>
>ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/App_Menu_OSAX.sit.hqx

That one is mine. It only lets you make selections from the first three items
in the application menu: hide frontmost application, hide others, and show all.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:23:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting current printer info

Jim Mueller <[e-mail]> writes:

> (I wish the Chooser would highlight the currently selected driver too, but
>that's probably just me.)

This was true, but the point is now moot. With QuickDraw GX, you choose your
default printer in the Finder, and it's clearly highlighted there. The Chooser
now does little more than create the desktop printer icons.

> I am trying to script a print station app where a mac with a serial label
>printer (Brother P-Touch PC) connected will check to see if a print file
>has showed up in a mounted UNIX directory (courtesy of CAP60), change the
>printer to the serial printer, read the file with QuicKeys' Display Text,
>print it to the label printer, **switch the printer back to what it was
>before**, then delete the file in the UNIX directory.

This kind of thing is _much_ easier to do with QuickDraw GX. The new Printing
Manager gives you a terrific amount of control. In particular, with one call
(GXSelectJobOutputPrinter), you can redirect your job to a different desktop
printer, without affecting the choice of default printer. And if you can't get
a GX-compatible driver for your Brother (I would imagine GDT Softworks would
have one, if anyone would), it would be a lot easier to write your own, than
it was in pre-GX days.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:59:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Need Find & Replace Addition

>Does anyone know the location of a Scripting Addition that will perform bulk
>replacement of character(s), i.e. replace all occurances of character "x"
>with character "y" in a string.  (I currently do it with a script, but need
>something faster.)

You could use Script Tools' (on gaea) Regular Expressions for grep-style
search & replaces. However, I've had trouble getting it to work (crashes
etc), and requests for help to the list and Mark Aldritt(?), the author,
have met with silence.

You might have more luck than me.

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:10:43 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Personal Online Source
Subject:      How can I export styled Text from  a FrontMost textfield?

I have a field in a window generated with FrontMost. The Style and Font of the
Text can be changed by the User. How can I save this Text so it can be opend
in ClarisWorks without loosing the styling ?

When I write a string with Tab-chars to a Textfield and retrieve it later,
there are no longer any tabs!

Andreas

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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:16:06 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andreas Heissenberger,HOL" <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Personal Online Source
Subject:      How can I show a Progressbar during a calculation in FrontMost?

I open a window - start a script located in the window - the script is
changing the "setting of gauge "progress"" - but no changes are done to the
window until the script has been finished. What do I have to do?

open window "abc"
tell window "abc" to DoCalc()

Andreas

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 sent via  m a g n e t / [phone] / [e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 21:15:23 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Buckman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      LISTSERV list information home page

I've set up a World Wide Web home page for LISTSERV lists.  It
features handy "reference" pages with lists grouped along certain
topics, as well as a host of other information, such as how to
join, the # of members, whether the archives are open, etc.  I'm
posting this announcement here because the www site has a page for
Apple Computers.

Its URL is "http://www.clark.net/pub/listserv/listserv.html"  Use
Mosaic, Lynx, WWW, Cello, etc. to view it.

LISTSERV lists for the following topics are represented:
Agriculture, Anthropology, Apple Computer, Art, Biology &
Chemistry, Business, Computers, Curricula, Database, Ecology,
Education, Food, Graphics, History, IBM, Internet & Bitnet, Law,
Library, Literature & Writing, Mathematics, Medicine, Music, PC
Software, Physics, Psychology & Philosophy, Religion, Science,
Teaching Institutions, Technology, Unix, and VMS & VM.

Here is what a typical entry looks like:

> Group name: FOODWINE
> Description: Discussion List for Food and Wine
> Members: 444
> Archive searching: for members only
> Who can join: anyone
> Country: USA
> Site: Central Michigan University, Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859
> Computerized administrator: [e-mail]
> Human administrator: [e-mail]
> To send mail to the group write to: [e-mail]

Write to me if you'd like more information.

John


=================================================================
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 [e-mail] - Internet Software Developers and Consultants

 ftp:clark.net  We created (1)InfoMagnet, the LISTSERV tool
 (/pub/magnet) (2)The Desktop Internet Reference (/pub/inetref)
 (3)Lotus Notes->html converter (in beta); (4)The LISTSERV home
 page (http://www.clark.net/pub/listserv/listserv.html)

 tel:[phone] fax:[phone] BBS:[phone]
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Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 1994 23:12:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nick Arnett <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HTML list archive moving!

As promised, I'm moving my HTML archives of this list (and others related
to the Web, publishing and libraries) to a new, faster site at my new
employer, Verity Inc.  I'll keep the archive up at
<URL:http://asearch.mccmedia.com/> for another week or two, but please
start using the one at Verity, which can be reached from our home page,
<URL://www.verity.com/>.

You'll find things somewhat rearranged there and a couple of features are
temporarily missing.  There are no aliases to the top menus of the lists,
and there's no full-text search yet.  Okay, okay, I know that second one is
ironic, considering that Verity has a great full-text search engine (if I
say so myself), but don't worry, it won't be far behind... and it'll be
great!  We have some very cool things coming, including... oh, well, stay
tuned.

The Verity site is under constant improvement, so please bear with us if
it's off-line occasionally.  We'll do our best to minimize the down-time.

The one improvement that you should notice immediately is SPEED.  I'm
switching from a Macintosh Quadra 605 over a 28.8 phone line to a very fast
Sun workstation with a T-1 that's only two hops off a very fast backbone...
We're still generating the files with a Mac, though.  HyperCard remains my
favorite prototyping environment.

Feedback is encouraged.  Please feel free to e-mail me or our Webmaster
[[e-mail]] with your comments.

Nick Arnett

--
World-Wide Web Product Manager
Verity Inc.
Mountain View, California
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:44:27 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rolf Kocherhans <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Help with EUDORA 2.1

Is there anybody out there which has been able to start the Mail notification
with the new version of EUDORA 2.1.

It has am different AppleScript syntax, and I don't know how to change it
so that the Eudora Notify Controller written from David  L. Brown would
still work.

Can anybody help ?


Thanks for any help.

Rolf

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 /_/\__/-\/   | 8057 Zurich SWITZERLAND
______________________________________________________________________________
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______________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:02:53 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How can I show a Progressbar during a calculation in
              FrontMost?

>I open a window - start a script located in the window - the script is
>changing the "setting of gauge "progress"" - but no changes are done to the
>window until the script has been finished. What do I have to do?
>
>open window "abc"
>tell window "abc" to DoCalc()

-- do this any time you want to update a window element
draw gauge "progress" of window "abc"


- john

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[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:25:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         K J Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject:      2 questions - NSF mounts & FMpro Server

2 questions:

1.  Is there a way using AppleScript (some OSAX perhaps) to NSF mount a
    UNIX volume and share files using it?

2.  Does anyone know if the Filemaker pro server is directly scriptable?
    We want to build a front-end using some script-aware thing (Facespan,
    HyperCard etc.) and pull records from a FMpro server's database without
    having to tunnel through FMpro on the user's machine.

Thanks in advance,
Ken


________________________________________________________________________
Kenneth J. Fox         |     E-mail:  [e-mail] (pref)
Allen-Bradley Company  |      Phone:  [phone] (V) 414-382-2742 (F)
Rockwell Int'l         |      Pager:  414-256-9702
Milwaukee, WI          |  Applelink:  FOX.K
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 08:43:54 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML list archive moving!

>  HyperCard remains my
>favorite prototyping environment.
>
I'd be very interested in learning how you use HC to prototype HTML dox.

=====================================================================
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]     FAX: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:47:56 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Wellems <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Looking for Mac Print Screen Solution

I am building an interactive, and would really like the user to be able to
have a printout of the screen. Is there an external that can print the
screen? I don't see anything about this in the manuals.

     *    0        *
        /   \   *   *       Michael J. Wellems
 *    /       \             Adler Planetarium
  ----  _____  ----         1300 S. Lake Shore Dr.
  |_____| | |_____|         Chicago, Illinois 60605
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:16:57 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Kearney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      DialogRunner author?

I use the Tao of AppleScript's dialog runner, or at least, I'm trying to use it.

It doesn't correctly support the return key.  I want and editable text
field that accepts multiple lines.  This requires allowing a return to be
entered in the field.  This is something the Mac toolbox allows.  The
RETURN is NOT the ENTER.  The Enter key is the only thing that's supposed
to invoke the Default button, not the Return.

I suppose it's a quick fix to make DialogRunner ignore the Return as the
default button.  But I can't reach the author, Chris Reed.  His AOL account
does not appear to function any longer.

If you know how to reach him or know of a better dialog handler for
AppleScript, please let me know.

Yes, I know FaceSpam would do this, but why should I make it slower and
HUGE just to get one dialog?

Thanks!

Bill

Bill Kearney      | [e-mail]                | copyright 1994
Baltimore, MD USA | http://www.digex.net/~wkearney/          | W.G.Kearney
[phone]    | ftp://ftp.digex.net/pub/access/wkearney/ |
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 08:51:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Automating Printer Selection

Is there any way to reset your printer selection via AS? In other words, I'm
looking for something that would automate going into the chooser, choosing
'LaserWriter' as the device, choosing the right zone, and choosing the right
printer name...

-roy
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 12:54:54 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 2.1 notify osax

Many have posted that the 2.1 notify syntax was giving them problems...
I've taken the Eudora Notification osax that was on gaea and updated it so
it (almost) works correctly. The notification type is still not coming in
correctly, but at least now you can use the same syntax as shown under
Eudora 2.1's dictionary, and you *CAN* count messages!

Here's a code snippet from a WORKING 2.1 notify script:

on notice messages messageList -- respond to a Eudora Notification event
        local numnew
        set numnew to count messageList -- number of new messages to process
end notice

Just drop the osax into your scripting additions folder...

I used Aete Editor b4 to edit the aete in the osax Eudor Notification. The
new osax is called "Eudora Notification Rev 2" and is in the submissions
directory for now.

Enjoy.

PS: I had to fix it for work, so I had a good reason to dig in...
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:09:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kirk Stork <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML list archive moving!

>>  HyperCard remains my
>>favorite prototyping environment.
>>
>I'd be very interested in learning how you use HC to prototype HTML dox.
>

I know of 3 ways to do HTML on the mac (apart from manually)

Simple HTML Editor - A Hypercard Stack
HTML Edit - A Hypercard Stand alone
BB Edit HTML extensions

I would be interested in finding out about other NON-Hypercard based HTML
Editors.

r/

   Kirk Stork
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:25:30 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Finder Erase Command

   While working on some scriptable Finder glue for Frontier, I noticed an
oddity in the erase command in Scriptable Finder (version 1.2 of the Finder
Scripting Extension, as found in System 7.5).

   The command causes Finder to put up the usual pre-erase dialog.
[Note...this means you should activate (in AppleScript) or use a
bringToFront () (in Frontier) the Finder before sending it the erase
command...Finder does not use the notification manager for the task.]

   Finder returns the object specifier (reference) for the disk you erase.
The oddity arises if the user decides to rename the disk while erasing
it...the reference returned is to the disk *under its old name*.  Finder
also seems to access each mounted disk looking for one with that name,
before returning the "stale" reference.

   Use of erase in a script is perhaps marginal anyhow...with the above
notes you can script around some problems.  [One thing you might want to do
with the returned reference is use it to eject the disk.  Won't work if the
user renamed the disk.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:35:17 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Howard White <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 2.1 Upgrade

Where is everyone getting the Eudora 2.1 upgrade from?


Howard White, PC Tech. Coor.
Northeastern University
Office of VP Information Services
360 Huntington Ave
275 Richards Hall
Boston, MA 02115

Office Phone:[phone]
Portable Phone:[phone]
FAX: [phone]
http://h-white.acs.neu.edu/
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 18:08:32 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Duffield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML list archive moving!
In-Reply-To:  Kirk Stork <[e-mail]> "Re: HTML list archive moving!"
              (Sep 22, 10:09am)

On Sep 22, 10:09am, Kirk Stork wrote:
> Subject: Re: HTML list archive moving!
> >>  HyperCard remains my
> >>favorite prototyping environment.
> >>
> >I'd be very interested in learning how you use HC to prototype HTML dox.
> >
>
> I know of 3 ways to do HTML on the mac (apart from manually)
>
> Simple HTML Editor - A Hypercard Stack
> HTML Edit - A Hypercard Stand alone
> BB Edit HTML extensions
>
> I would be interested in finding out about other NON-Hypercard based HTML
> Editors.
>
> r/
>
>    Kirk Stork
> [e-mail]
>-- End of excerpt from Kirk Stork

Alpha V5.93 ships with an HTML mode.  Give it a try!


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 Mark J. Duffield                    | [e-mail]
 Sr. Systems Specialist              |
 Preclinical Scientific Computing    | MIME Spoken here.
 Parke Davis Pharmaceutical Research |
 Ann Arbor, MI  48105                |
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 18:49:11 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andrew R. Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Apple Events & FileMaker Pro

First, let me explain what I'm doing. I run the Web Server for UMass Dartmouth.
I have written some scripts (Apple Script) to get information out of FileMaker
Pro. The purpose of these scripts is to allow students to view the course
catalog/course listings in a semi-custom (eventually fully-custom) manner.
In other words I'm creating lots of HTML documents on the fly.

I currently have working scripts, only the time taken to create the documents
is way to long (minutes instead of seconds). So now I am trying to convert
these scripts into either C/C++ or PASCAL code.

I have figured out how to send simple events like Do Menu and Do Script, but I
have yet to figure out how to get the data I need to perform the seaching I
need to do into FM Pro using Apple Events. If anyone out there could give me
some ideas and/or some sample code (C/C++/PASCAL) on how to build the
appropriate object records it would be much appreciated.

Thank you in advance for any help.

Andrew
-----------------------
[e-mail]
"Ours is not to wonder why, but instead to wonder why not!"
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Date:         Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:09:51 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora settings

I'm having difficulty with changing Eudora settings via AppleScripts. I had
a look at the Eudora dictionary, but all it has is Settings, with no syntax
for how you change them.

Specifically, I'd like to change Immediate Send to Off, and change the
message window height to 90. (for all messages)


_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 18:25:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Wiltgen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML list archive moving!

>I would be interested in finding out about other NON-Hypercard based HTML
>Editors.

There is a read, honest-to-goodness HTML editor for the Mac.

   http://dragon.acadiau.ca:1667/~giles/HTML_Editor

It's at 1.0.  Please try it out and encourage the author to further develop it!


--
Charles Wiltgen    "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and
[e-mail]    then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath.
(INTP)              At night, the ice weasels come." - Nietzsche (Groening)
World Wide Web      http://www.mcs.net/~cwiltgen
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:06:12 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Boulter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Could someone look up how to export from PageMaker?

Sorry, my Scripting Guide is still a few weeks in the mail and I need to
write a script that will export some selected text as TEXT-ONLY.

Thanks again,

Jeff Boulter

--
Jeff Boulter    [e-mail]  http://www.bucknell.edu/bucknellian/jeff
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:51:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
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From:         Brad Schrick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML Editors (was ...moving!)

>Alpha V5.93 ships with an HTML mode.  Give it a try!

Alpha V5 of ... what? -- tia, [e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 23 Sep 1994 13:59:00 +1200
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From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Events & FileMaker Pro

"Andrew R. Mitchell" <[e-mail]> writes:

>I currently have working [AppleScript] scripts, only the time taken to create
>the documents is way to long (minutes instead of seconds). So now I am trying
>to convert these scripts into either C/C++ or PASCAL code.
>
>I have figured out how to send simple events like Do Menu and Do Script, but I
>have yet to figure out how to get the data I need to perform the seaching I
>need to do into FM Pro using Apple Events. If anyone out there could give me
>some ideas and/or some sample code (C/C++/PASCAL) on how to build the
>appropriate object records it would be much appreciated.

My guess is, you won't see much of a speedup. I don't think you can build
AppleEvent structures much faster than AppleScript can (remember, AppleScript
scripts are already compiled). Judging from my own experience, I'd say most of
the holdup would be in FileMaker's handling of the AppleEvents.

The way to get the speedup would be to take FileMaker out of the equation.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:00:32 -0600
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From:         Perry Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable OCR

My dream is to take a credit card bill and fax it to myself.  Then have an
OCR program along with various support programs to convert the fax to text,
convert the text to a list of transactions and have the transactions
entered into Quicken.

So I figure the first step is to finish drinking my wine and the second
step is to get an OCR program that works with Applescript so that I can
automatically get it to convert the first and put the fields into records.
So to make a short question longer than it needs to be: is there any
recommendations for an OCR program that works with Applescript?

Thanks,

Perry Smith
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:18:16 -0500
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From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML Editors (was ...moving!)
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:51:40 -0900"

>>Alpha V5.93 ships with an HTML mode.  Give it a try!
>
>Alpha V5 of ... what? -- tia, [e-mail]

Alpha, the Programming and LaTex editor. You'll find it at

ftp://cs.rice.edu//public/Alpha/Alpah.5.96.sit.bin

pf
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:27:10 -0500
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From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 Upgrade
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:35:17 EDT"

Howard White asked...

>Where is everyone getting the Eudora 2.1 upgrade from?
>

ftp://ftp.qualcomm.com/quest/mac/eudora/2.1/
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:29:42 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
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From:         Brad Schrick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML Editors (was ...moving!)

>>Alpha V5 of ... what? -- tia, [e-mail]
>
>Alpha, the Programming and LaTex editor. You'll find it at
>
>ftp://cs.rice.edu//public/Alpha/Alpah.5.96.sit.bin

Fred, you're a wonder.  I downloaded it and tried it, but I guess I'm in
cruising mode and need something that's more WYSIWYG, or I'll just work
with the text editors for now... I can see MacWeb becoming editable one
day, but John Hardin may want a life this incarnation...  thanks for
keeping track of so much stuff -- Brad, [e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:22:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
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From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      reloading the finder

the first part, quitting it, is easy.  But how do I reload it.

I'm trying to do this so that a document which the finder just changed the
type and creator of shows the proper icon.  I do this now by inactivating
then activating the finder through a control strip module.  But how do I do
this in a script (the restarting part).  Everything I try results in the
scripting system complaining that the finder is not an application.

BTW, is there another way of having the icon updated (utils like Filetyper
have no problem doing this).

Note the icon is updated fine if I just try to change creator (ie a
{"TEXT","ttxt"}->{"TEXT","MSWD"} works fine)

a solution to both would be great but an answer to the first will provide a
workaround...

-Preston


--
Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD
[e-mail]                 NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
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Date:         Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:22:05 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
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From:         Mike Alexander <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reloading the finder

>BTW, is there another way of having the icon updated (utils like Filetyper
>have no problem doing this).
>

Here's a Frontier script that refreshes all open Finder windows:

    with objectModel, Finder {
      update(get(window[all]))}

I have this in my OSAMenu folder for when the Finder gets confused.

The definition of update (provided by the Import AETE script in the
Commercial Developers suite) is as follows (the two lines starting with <
are comments which don't look right in plain ASCII):

    on update (obj) {
     <Update the display of the specified object(s) to match
     <their on-disk representation
      return (appleEvent (Finder.id, 'fndr', 'fupd', '----',
        Finder.finderObj (obj)))}

Finder.finderObj is a script I wrote which turns various things (like path
names) into object descriptors.  In this case it's a nop since you've
already got a list of object descriptors.

Doing this in AppleScript shouldn't be any harder than this.

Mike Alexander              Internet:       [e-mail]
University of Michigan      America Online: MAlexander
ITD - Research Systems      AppleLink:      UMICH
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Date:         Fri, 23 Sep 1994 19:47:16 +1000
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From:         Danny Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HTML WYSIWYG editor (was Re: HTML list archive moving!)

>>I would be interested in finding out about other NON-Hypercard based HTML
>>Editors.
>
>There is a read, honest-to-goodness HTML editor for the Mac.
>
>   http://dragon.acadiau.ca:1667/~giles/HTML_Editor
>
>It's at 1.0.  Please try it out and encourage the author to further
>develop it!

I must confess I didn't try it because as of a few months ago the WWW/HTML
FAQs clearly state something along the lines of: "none of the cute WYSIWFG
HTML editors on the Mac produce valid HTML"*. This applies for most Windows
stuff as well; at least that falling into the free/shareware category. By
all means try these out but before putting it up on your web-site I'd
recommend running the output through something like SoftQuad's HoTMetaL for
Windows (available for free). This loads an SGML description of the
language, ie easily updated to reflect changes. The people behind this
program have been in professional SGML market for several years, and I hope
that gives their products some credibility. Any problems reported should be
referred to the author of the Mac program you used and the feedback can
encourage further development. SoftQuad are considering the introduction of
a Macintosh version of HoTMetaL which, at a guess $100-300, appeals to a
segment of people, but it would be nice for some free/shareware
alternatives to exist as well. BTW I wasn't particularly enamoured by
HoTMetaL's interface, too much like a structured editor for my liking.
    Unfortunately HTML has also been a somewhat evolving target and the
clients also have their own unique interpretations and glitches. For
example, the first bit of HTML I tried didn't display properly on MacMosaic
1.x or 2.00A6/8 or MacWeb. To be sure HoTMetaL pointed out several errors
in my hand-generated code, but correcting these so HoTMetaL accepted the
file and displayed it *as intended* didn't change the various ways the mac
clients showed it. I guess the conservative approach is to
   A: run any HTML thru HoTMetaL so at least it is conforming
   B: confirm that popular clients display it in an acceptable fashion.
      It doesn't have to be perfect, just good enough, but if that isn't
      possible consider alternative ways of coding the structure
      and/or modify your goals.
This maximizes your chance of the HTML working with both current clients
and new ones in the future which are likely to be more restrictive and also
conform closer to the 'standard'. It'll be nice when HTML+ (aka HTML 3)
gets standardized and there's enough clients around to make it a practical
choice.

cheers,
Danny Thomas  ([e-mail])

PS that initial FAQ quote probably doesn't refer to something like the
BBEdit additions which are non-WYSIWYG and essentially leave the author to
make thir own mistakes.


* unfortunately this blanket unecommendation didn't list which Mac programs
it was referring to, which versions produced buggy output nor what parts of
HTML were incorrectly recorded. I didn't feel like spending time to find
out.
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Date:         Fri, 23 Sep 1994 06:52:26 -0500
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From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML editing

On 09/22/94, Kirk Stork wrote:

> Simple HTML Editor - A Hypercard Stack
> HTML Edit - A Hypercard Stand alone
> BB Edit HTML extensions

> I would be interested in finding out about other NON-Hypercard based HTML

I have HTML Editor 1.0.0, by and (c) Rick Giles, found at NCSA.  It's not
small--1M on disk and 2M in memory (guess I'll have to break down and buy a
4M SIMM for my new Q630 before I get a MacTV card :-)) but it looks really
nice--it'll show you a mockup with or without the tags showing, and it'll
pass the text to MacWeb or Mosaic too.  I've never edited any HTML pages
myself, tho.


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Date:         Fri, 23 Sep 1994 07:42:09 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
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From:         Mark Duffield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTML Editors (was ...moving!)
In-Reply-To:  Brad Schrick <br